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    Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 10:37am
I was at the Farm Progress Show in Boone Iowa this week and while looking at the new Super 6 & 7 combine I mentioned my displeasure with dropping the orange color and not fond of red and the rep there said that the company has been thinking again of offering Agco's in orange as an option. He said it wasn't a "dead" issue and urged me to write the company to consider this. He said the midwest part of the US is starting to be heard. Any one else heard this?   Doyle
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It's the first I've heard of it but I sure hope you are right!
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That sounds much better than the response I got from a lady behind the AGCO merchandise counter.  After I stated my thoughts, she matter-of-factly said "Time will tell".    Let your opinions be known to the reps!

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Yes we need to step up to the plate people, i have made numerous calls, expressed my concern to many dealers also, we do farm with modern equipment, lots of Agco stuff, but have recently switched tractors to CNH because of the whole massey thing,  
at the very least you all need to call Agco answers, 1-877-525-4384, its just an out sourced answering service  for Agco but they do relay all messages to them, good or bad
Lets not give up on this.  make the call
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Last I heard at a local dealer meeting coming from an Agco rep was that the orange paint is a possibity but would have MF decals.  I can't say that was a crowd pleaser.  They also said even the  Masseys were going to sport more Agco logos on them.  Whether or not we can believe what is said is another story right now.  They change their minds like the weather changes.  Should of just called them all Agco and gave a choice of red or orange---see problem solved.  I know then I would of had more confidence in them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redline Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 4:48pm
The orange paint is encouraging, but the massey decals are a deal breaker. What part of "no massey ferguson" do they not understand? If we wanted massey decals on our farm machinery we would have been buying it that way all along. The corporation's name is AGCO. This feels like some kind of a coup d' etat, and it never should have happened. 

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My turn to stir this pot. What if we combine this new rumor with the news of a few weeks ago about Allis-Chalmers Energy being bought out and the possibility of aquiring the AC name and logo? 
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Originally posted by 620Doc 620Doc wrote:

My turn to stir this pot. What if we combine this new rumor with the news of a few weeks ago about Allis-Chalmers Energy being bought out and the possibility of aquiring the AC name and logo? 
Stealing a line from the old movie "Paint Your Wagon" "Pardner, there is a shifty side to you that I am just starting to appreciate."
That would be way beyond wonderful, probably unlikely, but it would be a great way for AGCO to save face on this whole debacle!
 
Wouldn't it be great to get some kind of a response from someone in the know at AGCO?


Edited by redline - 03 Sep 2010 at 7:39pm
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If there is to be ANY hope, tell all of your dealer friends and any customers to support the new Gleaner, but ABSOLUTELY do not purchase or support any MF or Challenger products. The worst thing dealers can do now is to order Massey tractors, that is capitulation. Versatile offers a solid option for the current dealer base without supporting MF. To borrow a Nancy Reagan phrase: "Just say No" (to bad influences).
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   I have talked to several Agco company reps that say that they have Agco orange tractors back on their family farms, which tells me even though they might not have maybe grown up on orange, they talked dad ,brother or uncle into trying one.  They compare to the new Deeres as far as efficiency goes which is true,  the fuel savings and CVT on the new Agco's is top of the line, but they need to get them out on the farms and the MF badge probably was not the best way to go out and try and blow the doors off of JD.  I am real happy to see the progress on the new S series Gleaners, which is some good news from the Agco camp.  It just still hard to think after all these years of running orange of various "orange shades" and names that now suddenly MF is what we have left?????  Blows my mind.  Challenger will be lucky to survive the whole fiasco.
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Originally posted by 620Doc 620Doc wrote:

My turn to stir this pot. What if we combine this new rumor with the news of a few weeks ago about Allis-Chalmers Energy being bought out and the possibility of aquiring the AC name and logo? 
 
That might make me get my first completely new tractor. Not just new to me either.
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Owner of Isaacson Implement in MN told me the same thing about being able to order orange tractors when I was visiting their show spot and the Steele County Fair. I didn't think to ask about the AGCO name.
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If they could keep that color and perhaps put an AC logo and name on that... Whew! I might need a moment to myself. LOL!
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I'm getting a Vermeer baler because AGCO dropped orange.  I'm either getting a Vermeer disc mower or Kuhn because AGCO dropped the orange.  I'm getting a Kuhn tedder because AGCO dropped the orange.  I'm looking at trading in my AGCO tractor on a McCormick because AGCO dropped orange.  I got a Kuhn rake a couple of weeks ago because AGCO dropped orange.  I was in the AGCO dealer a week ago getting prices on New Holland hay equipment and the other salesman got a call from a guy and I heard him say stuff about orange being gone.  People ask about it and it makes a difference.  I told the salesman that if AGCO still made orange tractors this would be a no brainer that I'd be getting Hesston equipment.  Now I look around.

I think what this, and the whole Wall Street bailout thing, has done for me is that I give a huge positive to family owned companies now and throw that in when comparing equipment.  Both Vermeer and McCormick are family owned.

BTW - I said this for the last few years.  They need to make color an option for the AGCO tractor not the MF tractor.  Give customers a choice of Red/Orange/Oliver Green/MM Challenger yellow.  It's an AGCO tractor with different colors and stickers.   How hard could it be?  An MF with different colors is not acceptable to me.

BTW pat II - I was at Boone too but didn't even go by the AGCO spot.  I was within 50 feet of it but only just laughed at all the yellow Lexion combines that CAT dealers will sell in front of the yellow AGCO ones.  I didn't go by the AGCO site, in Boone, because the AGCO site at the Wisconsin farm show didn't have a single orange tractor in it so I didn't even talk to them.  It disgusts me too much.


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If they were to get the rights to the AC name now that AC Energy is disappearing, they could offer even a limited edition AC each year.  Something like that would serve to keep people with Agco.
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This whole ordeal smacks of some over paid marketing 'genius' who decided, while sitting in her pajamas in a hotel getting a pedicure, somewhere in Hilton Head, that "brand consolidation" was the way to go to fight Deere.

You see, her boyfriend of 12 years, once heard a 14 second sound byte on MSNBC that one reason Toyota sold so well in the U.S. is because they just have one brand name. 

"Hey, wait a minute!!!! Let's just drop 80 years of solid consumer brand recognition, 80 years of quality, 80 years of service, 80 years of being a leader in the ag industry, drop half of our dealer network...and we'll just go with one color and one name. I'll surely get a bonus for this idea, and another bonus for building market share."

I've been around enough corporate marketing people and the corporate world to know that they really are that dumb.  

Just change something for the sake of change...that marketing person will be marketing for some other company in just a few years anyway. This will just add to their resume. "I successfully created and executed the brand consolidation of AGCO tractors to just one brand name and one color, which lead to an increase in sales of 22%. After managing and creating several marketing studies, most housewives said they liked red over orange, and they could identify with the Massey name better than Allis."

I'd end this post with 'LOL', but we all know it is sickeningly true.  
  


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It's scary how true that is.
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I have yet to hear a legitimate excuse as to why it was dropped in the first place.   Anything I've heard hasn't held any water.  Saying they could buy a MF orange just contradicts one of the things they said was the reason they dropped it.  I think their finding out the reality of the issue is that they are loosing a lot of business from this decision and they need every drop they can get in a down economic time.  It's moronic.

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I had to put my argument from another topic on this one also.

The way I see it AGCO bought out Massey and the only way AGCO could come up with that kind of money would be to have a sucessful thing going for them. No struggling company could afford to buy out another. I thought that when a company bought another out they would usually take the best of both products and put them togeather. Instead AGCO bought MF, who couldn't come close to touching the loyality and brand recognition that AGCO has, and has decided to drop their big, sucessful company name and products in order to back up the worst of the two.

If I ran AGCO I would try something different. I would do something to try to suit everyone's likes.
 
My Suggestions:
 
1. Allis-Chalmers line painted PERSIAN ORANGE and uses correct logos that we would buy the rights for from AC Energy.
 
2. Oliver line all are meadow green. Uses the oliver shield logo.
 
3. White line is grey and uses WFE logo.
 
4. Minnieapolis-Moline line. Yellow and MM modern machinery logo.
 
5. Massey Harris should be a special edition Massey Ferguson.
 
6. MF, and Challenger should be left the same.
 
I know it is possible to do this. AGCO doing this would be like getting a car or truck with a different paint job and different decal packages.
 
People who grew up on AC's, Oliver's, MM's, or another AGCO heritage tractor would remember the good old days with their old tractor and would come alot closer to buying a new one. The old AGCO companies all had good reputations and were all key parts of American history. Maybe someday AGCO will take the classic names off of the shelf and actually listen to some reason and use them. Case IH now badges some of their tractors as Farmalls and now McCormick is back along with New Holland's 8N. It seems Everyone except AGCO has gotten the message
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AC37, I think Farm Pro is currently marketing a line of 3 point implememts using the Minneapolis-Moline name and logo.
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UGGGGH!!!!
 
This makes me want to see some new Allis-Chalmers ag equipment soooo bad!!!


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Allis Chalmers 37.  The only problem I see is that most of those lines you mention have been gone too long.  Even AC has been gone for 25 years.
MM, Oliver, and Cockshutt disappeared in 74 I believe.  36 years ago.
MH disappeared in the 60s.  about 45 years ago.
White is pretty recent.
Most of today's decision makers have never bought one of the old brands so have to special feeling for them.
Sad but true.
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If AGCO could get the rights to the Allis-Chalmers name and offer a limited edition Allis that might be the "fig leaf" they need to save face.
 
The PR can goes like this "Well now that we CAN get the Allis name, that changes things a bit!"
 
 
AGCO can you hear me now!!???
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TomYaz.  Good thinking.  It could be a game changer.
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Originally posted by Spud Spud wrote:

TomYaz.  Good thinking.  It could be a game changer.
 
I guess I just repeated what you said earlier...Hey great minds think alike LOL!
 
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Great another proud classic name put on some cheap POS.
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Nathan, in case you haven't noticed, Agco tractors have been Massey based since 1997.
A lot of people on this site have layed there money down for them and have been pleased with them up until Agco dropped orange.
Do you actually buy farm equipment yourself?
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If Nathan was referring to the recent lawn mowers that were badged AC, there's validity to his comment. It looked to me like that is exactly what happened there. The thought was good, but it was not exactly a product that will stand the test of time. 

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Nathan, if you are referring to the lawn mowers then I understand 100% where you are coming from.

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OK guys, now what do you have against the new AC branded mowers built by Simplicity, 
I bought one last year, and there about as good as, or better than any brand of mower this day and age.  What brand are you guys running?     
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