adding gas to diesel

Don't mix gas into your diesel fuel!!! We had a 55 gallon barrel of mixed diesel gas here when I was a kid. My uncle claimed that someone put gas into one of the diesel tractors here and it separated sitting over night. Blew the motor the next day when a slug of straight gas went through.   Took use years to figure out how to properly dispose of the barrel of mixed fuel that was left.
It all happened before my time I just remember trying to find someone who would take the mixed fuel for disposal. Finally found someone who had a bunch of gear oil he wanted to run through a waste oil heater he took it to mix in there.

Edited by Dan73 - 29 Nov 2016 at 5:29pm

hmm never thought about the 2 separating and the lift sits quiet most of the time....
OK, so NO gas...
what about 'additives' or def  ? anything to help her start and run ? she is a 'challenge' to get going once Old Man Winter appears.....and no I still don't have 5K for a rebuild....
I generaly wait until 2-3 jobs need to be done,then use it.

Jay

Raising the cetane number will assist in starting more than adding gasoline. There are several cetane boosters on the market, but I'm a bit skeptical. Buy high quality fuel and fix your other issues if that doesn't do the trick.

The light distillates that gasolines are made from have a natural high-octane index. The middle distillates that diesel fuels come from have a high cetane index. The octane and cetane indexes are INVERSE scales. A fuel that has a high octane number has a low cetane number, and a high cetane fuel has a low octane number. Anything with a high octane rating will retard diesel fuel's ability to ignite. That's why each fuel has developed along with different types of engine designs and fuel delivery systems. Gasoline mixed in diesel fuel will inhibit combustion in a diesel engineand diesel fuel mixed in gasoline will ignite too soon in a gasoline engine.

Save the gas for your D14's. lol The old Budas use one intake heater not glow plugs. You can get away with using #1 fuel in a light engine load like a fork truck is. I'd pull the injectors and have them tested first them look at the energy cells next. Yes a good block heater is best.

Funny DEF pretty much ruined all my intrest in a new diesel engine.   Makes me want to keep the old ones running....

Still scared of any system that is designed to freeze up near zero. To many 20 plus below nights here for me to think adding a liquid that freezes to a car is a good thing.

i'm with Dan on keeping the old ones running!

hmmm interesting about DEF...
sure be a nice way to stop 'kids' from 'borrowing' cans of gas at midnight.......

NOT that I'm saying to do this.....but if you mislabelled or misjugged some DEF.....

back on track.....
Even WITH the lift 'up to temperature', mid summer, it still needs a squirt or two maybe 50% of the time which kinda says a block heater probably won't help .
Still looking for the right low budget 'bandaid',only use maybe 2 gallons of diesel a month....

Jay

Either is cheap it's meant to start engines you mainly have to no how strong you are applying it without either the world would be a very bad place. If your scared use a little Weeker brand their is strong & week either .

Interesting that DEF should come up and the following is worth passing on.
Take from it what you want, it was overheard or relayed to me.
Was riding with a fella that has a GMC Duramax 4x4 double cab, 2015, fully loaded with everything he could order on it seems (never seen "full leather" cover so much of the interior on a pickup before).
He receives a call from his buddy at the dealership telling him they want the truck and will give him 48K on trade for a new fully loaded 2017 GMC Duramax and he replies he would have to think about it as he gave nearly 70K for it and it only had 90K miles on it so just getting broke in (runs back and forth to West Texas constantly). Dealer salesman buddy tells him they have DEF systems causing total replacement of the system coming in weekly and it is tracking between 90 - 110K on miles when they go down, at 3500-4000.00 charge to fix/replace.
I don't think much of it, bought myself a 2007 6.0 2500HD 2WD for the small farm/tractor toy towing a few years ago. Had Cummins with company trucks but all were 2006 or older. Loved em' but wondered how the DEF was going to add to the overall diesel pickup operating costs for folks and would it eventually start pushing some back to gas engines as the diesel option seems to be pushing these pickup costs ever higher.
Three weeks later I am at the shop where I bought my CM bed for my 2500HD as I needed a front grill guard and nerf bars so a fat boy can get in/out easier.
Ask the owner of the shop when he bought the new RAM 2500 double cab 4x4, with a HEMI, as he was always so pro Cummins and had a 2014 model last time I was in over a year ago. He relays his story on the DEF as he had taken his diesel in for a oil change at the dealership when his salesman buddy pulls him to the side and tells him he needs to get rid of the truck as they are seeing units come in for system replacement to the tune of 3000.00 plus, at around 100-120K miles.
He advised he decided to let it ride and it went down two months later. Had it towed in, swapped it for the HEMI and said he will not have another newer diesel.
Anyone else hearing things about this?

OK..follow up.... tried 3 spray bottle squeezes of WD40.... silent
3 squirts of ether... she starts....yeah, belches a lot of light whitey/blue smoke for 4-5 minutes but once she settles down, runs OK.......

seems the old gal needs something 'peppyer' than WD40 to get her going.....

re:DEF. I heard that if you're driving and run out of DEF and then shut off the truck, it AIN'T going to start again UNTIL you refill the DEF can ! Tell me that wouldn't be 'fun' 50 miles from anywhere,middle of winter, 2AM,....


Jay

Dan73 wrote: My concern isn't the cost it is how long can that jug take freezing and thawing everytime I start the truck all winter long. That sounds like a broken system just waiting to happen.

My car sat outside all last winter without benefit of a garage. It hit a minus 18 on a couple of nights. There were spells when it got down near zero for many days in a row. There was nary a hiccup from anything, including the DEF system. It isn't as if "only a few" diesels run DEF. There are thousands out there and I've never heard of DEF/freezing problems.

Jay we are using brake clean in our shop for some of the hard starts and cold starts. Seems to work well and cheaper than ether.

nuther update.

I do have a single manifold glowplug,that works but sure drains the battery down. I was thinking of a 2nd battery,then need to rejig the alternator to recharge both batteries.
suposed to be crummy rest of the week so I may look into that.

ANy idea how long to run the glowplug for? should it be on while starting? Obviously NO ether or 'helper' chemicals .....

Jay