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Ted in NE-OH 
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 10:26am |
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Which tractor model did Allis Chalmers make the fewest of ?
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CA, WD, C, 3 Bs, 2 Gs, WC, I-400, 914
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 11:49am |
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They only made 499 6040's but I'm sure there are rarer tractors.
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 11:57am |
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They did import those 6040,s,,,for just a year
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 12:47pm |
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I've really never understood how A.C. ever recouped their money on R+D for the 7000 series and the 8000 series,, they never sold many units compared to other companies,,, they were ahead of their time in many ways, but how could they justify the low sales?
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 1:02pm |
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Of serial numbers known they only made 144 4W-220 (per tractordata.com)
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 1:35pm |
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Tractordata.com also lists an all crop tractor at 34hp made in 1931 but I can't find pictures of it.
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 1:39pm |
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Of actual production tractors I would guess a 6-12 or 10-18 but I'm just guessing without doing any research.
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 1:40pm |
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Tractordata.com also lists an all crop tractor at 34hp made in 1931 but I can't find pictures of it. |
all-crop is a model UC.
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 2:07pm |
411 BUILT , WC Maintainer One I know of in Pa. Guess who owns it .LOL 
Edited by Fred in Pa - 04 Jul 2016 at 2:08pm
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 5:30pm |
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 6:50pm |
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 6:54pm |
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Only known of 1 D15 Rice model.
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 10:20pm |
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The question needs to be more specific.... # of a certain model in whole or an oddball variation?? High crop, orchard, industrial ??
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Posted: 04 Jul 2016 at 11:54pm |
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Only a couple model H tractors built I think. Then there was the B that was designed like a G, etc.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 6:51am |
DougG wrote:
I've really never understood how A.C. ever recouped their money on R+D for the 7000 series and the 8000 series,, they never sold many units compared to other companies,,, they were ahead of their time in many ways, but how could they justify the low sales? |
I guess that's a way to look at it. 
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:19am |
CrestonM wrote:
Only a couple model H tractors built I think. Then there was the B that was designed like a G, etc. |
Those were prototypes, they do not count. We are referring to actual production tractors here. Surprised no one mentioned the 100 220s with FWA. Some others would include the asparagus and potato versions of the B (although production numbers are not known, very few are known to exist).
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:40am |
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How about the GR made in France? Or the, I suppose prototype, "Bull Moose" 4WD built in the 1950's.
The 7000 and 8000 series used a lot of common parts between each different model and they were popular in my area.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 10:23am |
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Somewhere I think I heard that there are only 2 Industrial 6-12's known to exist - I don't know how many were made though.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 10:36am |
DougG wrote:
I've really never understood how A.C. ever recouped their money on R+D for the 7000 series and the 8000 series,, they never sold many units compared to other companies,,, they were ahead of their time in many ways, but how could they justify the low sales? |
Our engineering dept. was far smaller than Deere's (and likely IH's). I had a college friend who was the manager of Deere's hydraulic engineering group. He had more people working for him than I did in the total tractor engineering group. Also, the flexible machining center (FMC) that was installed for the 7000 Series allowed many different castings to be machined economically-----------------and allowed changes to be made to the machining easily. From a profit stand point, the biggest albatross was the Harvey plant. The prices that we paid (transferred) to Harvey were higher than what we could have bought engines on the open market for. On top of that, I don't think there would have been as much warranty problem.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 5:55pm |
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Thanks for the reply Mark, makes sence as Allis invested in some good equipment bringing the 7000, 8000 series to life in West Allis and keep the cost as low as they could, it all helps to realize the functions of a factory and the parts etc, sounds like Harvey was just another mismanaged part of Allis Chalmers
Edited by DougG - 05 Jul 2016 at 6:30pm
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 8:02pm |
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There probably wasn't enough engine volume with ag and construction to keep Harvey going long term as diesel engine technology grew in the 70's and 80's. However, Harvey only hastened their decline by trying to get into the on-highway truck engine business. This only diluted the resources available for the ag engines.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 8:14pm |
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That was a huge flop for sure,, putting that hunk of cast iron inbetween frame rails of a semi without on road support and didn't they keep turning them up to see what they would do,,, you know independent mechanics had those things signing ,,,, till they blew up, then the bad reviews came out I'm sure
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 10:30pm |
Got this home last night about 10:00pm Single front high crop D 14 I do not have the book in front of me production is low.  D 14 LP Single front another low production.  Also I have a Rice D 15Lp so that would make 2 of them.  wonder how many 190LP Rice tractor were made 
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 10:45pm |
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To me, production numbers would be for each tractor, say a 190. High crop ,industrial, beach master ,narrow front ,gas diesel,propane, snap coupler, 3 point, bare back. There all a 190. And different versions of the 190. I would guess that is what was meant by the question.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 10:47pm |
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 10:48pm |
AJ wrote:
Of serial numbers known they only made 144 4W-220 (per tractordata.com) |
First one of 2 prototypes 1001-1002 first production 1003. Last one made 1175. I think
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Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 6:17pm |
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How about a D-17 Grove tractor - not orchard. I've never seen one or even a picture but listed in the parts and price book. I have one.
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 12:35pm |
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Speed Ace?
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 12:41pm |
IBWD MIke wrote:
Speed Ace?
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87 speed ace per Lonn's post
and what makes a 190 a rice model other than rice tread tires?
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 1:14pm |
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Nothing different the way it looks on the 190,,, just the back tires
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