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    Posted: 20 Jan 2022 at 8:46pm
Hello all. I’m looking at a 1980 7010 to purchase. I currently have a black belly 7000. I know that except for the engine they’re completely different tractors. This 7010 has a power director transmission. My questions to the experts are there certain things to look for in considering a 7010 and would a 7010 with a power director be a good hay rolling tractor? Appreciate your suggestions and opinions. Thanks
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Rolled hay with a 7040 power director and JD 467 baler and it worked well.  Power shift would be nicer but we got along alright.  7040 had plenty of power so a 7010 may be a little marginal on power but would get along and likely make lots of bales on a tank of fuel.
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we used to run a 7020 back in the mid 80's and loved it, never baled any hay with ours that was the 185's job. 
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I've bailed with my 7010 PD for 6 years, I get along great, 5x6 bales. I honestly prefer a power director, they're pretty much bullet proof. The stories about trying to find powershift parts would worry me. The T-handle shifter is nice as long as the shift cables are adjusted right and the clutch cable is operating the transmission brake properly
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Thanks for the replies. DIESEL, your input is especially helpful. My 7000 is power shift. I’ve never operated a Power Director.
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Originally posted by DIESEL DIESEL wrote:

I've bailed with my 7010 PD for 6 years, I get along great, 5x6 bales. I honestly prefer a power director, they're pretty much bullet proof. The stories about trying to find powershift parts would worry me. The T-handle shifter is nice as long as the shift cables are adjusted right and the clutch cable is operating the transmission brake properly


I’ve had both and had more issues with the PD. Only PS issue I had was my 8050 that I bought knowing it had a bad tranny. Currently bale with a 8030 honestly in silage bales wouldn’t want much less ponies.
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I really like my 7010 PD as a baler tractor.  We pull a JD 467 round baler and it does just great making 4x5 bales.  I also upon occasion will hook up the JD 24T small square baler to it.  It is really too big of tractor for it but if you adjust the drawbar you can hook up the PTO on the old 24T and keep the engine idle down a bit.  We drive a ways for a few fields and don't want to also drive the 190XT but that is my preference tractor on small square baling.  I think a bigger tractor would be nice if you want to do silage bales but I think the 7010 would do 4x5 silage bales.  5x6, I am not sure.

I added lots of LED lights so that I can cut hay at nighttime.

You probably know this from your other tractor, but you want the air conditioning working if it is a hay tractor.  Even with the windows open, that cab gets really hot when it is 95+ out.  I had the cab top rub a hole in AC hose and running it out of coolant  ruined my compressor so that was a costly repair.  It was just miserable in there for the few weeks it took to fix it.  If the AC doesn't work, it is probably $500 to $1,500 to fix it depending upon what is wrong.
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Thanks all. I’ve got a 6 x 5 Vermeer roller. It will roll silage but I mainly put up dry hay. And I don’t make the rolls 6ft anymore. That last half a foot is hard on everything.
I use to roll with a Ford 7610 with no problem. About 90 hp. Both tractor and roller were new then. I got a TW 15 Ford now I roll with.
Looking at the AC 7010 as a back up. Big enough to roll with but small enough to run disc mower.
Anything I should really look at on this AC 7010? It appears to be a nice tractor with everything working including air?
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Dont have any experince with the 7000 series , but Im looking for a 7010, interested on any info  if you dont buy it 
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My 7010 was pretty nice when I bought it so I haven't had a bunch of problems.

I did have to replace the shift cables as the high/low lever got stuck in between gears once and wouldn't move.  The High/Low range cable is quite difficult to replace but I eventually prevailed with some help from the forum. 

I understand that the rear end is quite stout for the motor. so rear end problems are rare. 

I do have a hydraulic leak under the cab on the number #1 remote.  I haven't figured out how to fix it yet because it is far under the cab and difficult to reach, but got lots of suggestions via forum.  You might see if there any hydraulic leaks under the cab where the remote lines terminate.  I think it is an o ring rather than a line leak from what I can see.  That problem isn't a common fault of 7010 but rather due to age and lots of recent use, is my guess.  Gonna tear into it in February. 

I replaced the block heater but that was easy. 

MY AC problem was a result of a prior fix to the hose in the cab that didn't get done right.  I fixed it so that can't happen again.

I haven't had any other issues and have owned for 2+ years.   I believe the engine was overhauled 800 hours ago so engine seems great and does not use any oil.  I am relatively new to the AC tractor lineup (5 years now) so I can only speak to my direct experience.  I have drank the orange cool aid though. :-)  I just bought an AC 5 bottom plow so my AC collection is increasing.
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Thanks Calico, I’m 60 years old and a full time farmer. My dad had Gleaners and loved them. Still have diesel A with a corn head in the shed. I’ve got JD combine with a grain head I use (inherited) but wish it was a Gleaner. I have experience working on both JD and Gleaners, and Gleaners are far easier to work on.
I have a unrestored WD and the 7000. A 2300 disc as well.
Really appreciate the help. Thanks

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The 700 is actually has a 3 speed power director similar to 190's 2 speed power director.
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The 7000 has a parcial 3 speed powershift - which is not related to the 200 or xt at all , its a one of a kind and very pricey to rebuild
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It certainly could be considered a "next generation" Power Director clutch that the principle is similar and related to how the 190/200 was designed. They actually use they same driving discs !!
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Doc, if you were going to purchase a 7010 would you prefer a PD transmission or a PS? Is one more durable than the other? Thanks in advance. dp
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Durability isn't an issue, as each one is used in the 160 HP 7060 tractor. It all depends on how it is going to be used. Power Shift trans sometimes makes a "bigger" tractor out of a smaller tractor because you never get in trouble being in the wrong gear. This is especially true if you pull heavy loads or have lots of rolling terrain.
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No heavy pulling, mainly hay roller. Rolling terrain though. Thanks so much for your input. dp
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Power shift for hay roller and any haulage work. Bale moving, manure hauling etc. No gear grinding from forward to reverse plus shift on the go as you slow for or gear up and throttle back heading back empty for another load. I have both. 
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Dad's 7030 and 7050 had PD, but once the PS came out, that is all we bought, except for the 4wd's of course.
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Would 7010 Power Director work for pulling a hay roller as a backup? Understand Power Shift is better. I’ve never had or been around a Power Director? Is a power director high/low like dual power in a Ford? Thanks
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Dp7000, the 7010 with either trans should work well for your haying chores. You will most likely be happy with it.
The PD slow-fast Range is a “completely stop & then shift it” thing - not a “shift it on the move” thing. It simply doubles each of the trans 5 gears, which are also a “clutch down, count 3 seconds, complete stop, then shift” thing.
But in addition to the slow-fast Range & the 5 trans gears, the PD has TWO floor buttons Hi-Lo “on the go” shifter. You use your foot to operated them. And it defaults back to Low setting each time clutch pedal is pushed down. It gives 2 more speeds to each of whichever gear/range that’s been selected. It’s great for slowing down for a headland turn around then speed up once implement completes its cycles ( raise/lturn/lowered..?).

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Like others have already stated, test PD’s trans brake when you clutch, count 3 seconds, shift trans gear. If trans gears grind, try lowering engine rpms/or kill engine, to stop gear grind to complete shift. If the latter is case, clutch linkage probably will need adjusted for proper trans brake action and/or T-handle shift cable needs attention(worn slop in joints/new cable??).
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AC7060IL, thank you so very much. Your explanation is perfect. Exactly what I needed.
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A PD for hay rolling can be agitating if you have to backup to dump roll if you are in a gear where you have to twist the handle every time.
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Yes, backing up can be aggravating.
I generally roll 2 or 3 rounds around a field then go back and forth circling out of windrow to tie and dump roll so as not to back up. Thanks
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As I said before I make 5x6 bales with a New Holland Br780 and absolutely love my 7010 with a PD transmission. Our meadows are sub irrigated here in the Nebraska sandhills and can be soft, I've got plenty of power and no problem shifting, I pick a gear and use the high low buttons on the floor. The biggest thing when shifting a PD transmission is making sure clutch cable is properly adjusted, push pedal 3/4 of the way down and stop the tractor with the brakes. Then push it the rest of the way down to engage the transmission brake, it works best if the engine is speed up so it builds hydraulic pressure. A power shift has the trans brake also, just don't stop the tractor by mashing the clutch down.
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Thanks Diesel, your “real world “ experience is very much appreciated. dp
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