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desertjoe 
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 3:38am |
I don't recall talkin bout this and if so,,then I forgot,,,,,  It seems I always havin to fix flats on AYV's scooters and bikes and I was gonna buy the mini tire tool that some of Ya'll was talkin bout a few weeks ago,,but this HF store did not carry them and the Mgr is susspossed to order me one but ain't done it yet,,,,,PFFTTttt. Anyway,,I had to fix a flat on the grandson's little chinese Quad and DANG but I had to fight thet SOB all over the shop floor,,,!!! I used bout a half a bottle of the kitchen dish soap and that stuff don't work for chit as far as the slick-em I've seen the tire shops use.
What do ya'll use for the slick em that gots them cotton applicator brushes to remove the tire AND re- install,,?? I also used to have one of them little scratcher tools that had a small wheel for using on the patchs after gluing em,,,can't remember when or where I lost that tool,,,, Checked out Ebay and did not find them.
Does anybody still use them " Hot Patches" that had them clamps and then you set the back of the patch on fire for a guaranteed flat repair job,,,,??
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shameless dude
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 5:04am |
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why ain't you just putting them plugs in? they sell them at wally world and HF and TSC and and and
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Jim.ME
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 5:25am |
As far as I know the old hot patches were banned, discontinued, or otherwise done away with as a health hazard from the fumes. I use Ru-Glyde for a liquid mounting lube and Tru-Flate/Camel "Stuf" paste. The parts store I use stocks those. I usually use the liquid for dismounting and paste for mounting, personal choice. For pastes Frey-lube and Murphy's are a couple others I've used. There are other good liquids and pastes out there I'm sure others will mention. Sounds like you are looking for a "Stitcher". Here are the ones shown in the Tru-Flate catalog a wood handled stitcher, and the buffer/stitcher which sounds like the one you are looking for. A parts store should be able to order one if the don't stock them. Or search Tru-Flate Stitcher on eBay, several of each type came up when I tried that search. 
Edited by Jim.ME - 18 May 2020 at 5:26am
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 6:14am |
OK, I can't be so lucky but here's what I do for patching tubes... Once tube is out, clean tube with water and soap, rinse with water,let dry. blowup up, find the leak. mark it( that's the hard part...MARKING it ). Scuff up area with 100 or 150 grit sandpaper, blow off fuzzies. add rubber cement bigger than patch, let DRY. Add patch, rolling it down, then use clean box end wrench to firmly press from center to outside. then clamp with 'quickgrip' clamp... walk away for 10-15 minutes. come back , install tube. This 'proceedure' works for me...masybe overkill, I don't know, it just works. As for getting the tire back on, I only remove ONE side and 'work' the tube out and in. I have a small flat bar with smooth rounded end to get the tire on.I use 100% dishsoap, put on the bead of the rim as well as the tire bead. so far that works too... riding mower front tires ARE a PITFA though !!
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 8:04am |
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i use water and 25% soap.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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desertjoe
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 8:09am |
Hey Jim.ME,,,dang,,you is "King For A Day" on this one,,,,,,,,,  That metal one was what I was lookin for but I had No idea it would be called a "stitcher",,,who'ld a thought,,,, No wonder I could not find one on Ebay or Amazon,,, And I also wanted to get one of those cloth applicators for the slick-em I'm gonna get,,,, Since MY President is takin care of us,,,I'm gonna do my share in help kick starting the economy with my hard earned stimulus money,,,,
Hey Jay,,what kind of "clamp" do you use on the patches?? I'm thinkin I'll use one of my Vise grips and weld a piece of strap on each jaw,,??
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john(MI)
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 9:04am |
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The stitcher looks just like the tool you use to put the rubber bead in a window screen. A good hardware store should have one of those in their screen section.
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chaskaduo
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 10:10am |
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Joe, why weld the metal to the vice grip jaws?
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 10:28am |
The clamps are 'woodworking' style 'quickclamps', press a button they slide open fast, other lever they close up,they open up a tad over 8", they have plastic slide on pads that cover the 1/2dollar sized round patches I use....I rescued them from being left outside in the rain for 2 weeks..yeah, another 'contractor fiasco'......
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Ray54
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 11:18am |
 As long as the patches are not old and dried out and the same with the glue, the patches stay put without a clamp. This day and age the quality of the tubes is more a problem than patches and glue.
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tadams(OH)
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 3:07pm |
Joe go on line to Harbor freight and order one of them tire tools you want, every time I have ordered on line it has been $6.99 freight and it's been shipped out of Georgia to Ohio. Can't hardly drive to the store and waste time being told they will order and then not order for that price.
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chaskaduo
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 3:19pm |
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His would come from Kali, well every time I order that's where it comes from. I'm up here in Snowtaville.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 3:36pm |
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the clamp allows ME to do somethin for ME, as opposed to workin on 'that' FREE job... a break is always good, right ??
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chaskaduo
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 3:47pm |
Depends on what a break is, is.
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HD6GTOM
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 5:08pm |
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Joe. I bought one of those machines a couple weeks ago. I put it in my bench vise to use it the first time. But that put the machine too high to get any leverage on the tire. And my left are is virtually useless, I had my pal make a piece of 1/4" steel 14" x 14" square. I clamp that in my rim clamp tire machine. It puts the little tire machine down where I can use it. After owning a tire shop for 22+ years don't bother with any dish soap. It just ain't slick enough. Bowes Big Blue tire lube is the slickest stuff we found. NAPA has their Ruglide. For everyday use, it is ok. Far slicker than dish soap. They come in 1 gallon containers. But you need to find another 1 gallon container that has a brush attached to the lid. The stuff does seem to dry out if you leave the lid off the can. When you are using it daily it isn't that noticable. I do have a couple of pair of mini vice grips I snap on the rim when I am mounting a small tire. They keep the tire from slipping on the rim during the mounting process. After chasing those dang little things around the tire shop floor, for a few years we bought a pro unit. It is far easier to use than the HF unit, but it is over $400.00. Joe, you don't need to clamp today's patches on the tire or tube. Just stitch them on.
Edited by HD6GTOM - 18 May 2020 at 5:13pm
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Jim.ME
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 5:52pm |
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I keep a quart hand pump spray bottle with Ru-Glyde in it, that works out better for me than a swab and container, and doesn't evaporate in the often long spells between uses.
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 6:07pm |
Murphy's oil soap ain't a bad substitute, for ru-glide, straight outta the bottle, or thin it a little, maybe 25%...
You can make a stitcher, fer $.50, by drilling a hole through a piece of stiff sheet metal, and 2 quarters, and putting a quarter on each side of the sheet metal handle, if you can rivet, rivet the quarters, loose enough that they still roll freely(but tight enough to stay put), to the handle, if not, use a small bolt and locknut... |
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 6:10pm |
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A heavy mix of Murphy's Oil Soap makes the best slickum.
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Michael V (NM)
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Posted: 18 May 2020 at 11:01pm |
as much a PITA them little tires are,, I'd take em to a tire shop,,, might be money and time ahead....JMO...
I'd rather deal with big truck or tractor (without fluid) tires..
Edited by Michael V (NM) - 18 May 2020 at 11:02pm
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desertjoe
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Posted: 19 May 2020 at 3:26am |
Well,,Great comments on this,,, And Jim.ME posted just exactly what I wanted, so I ordered the sticher and cotton applicator,,gonna look into the Ruglide and the Bowes slick em that ole Tom sayin he used it for 52 years,,,being a tire man and usin it that long,,,he outa know,,,!!! Hey DiyDave,,,,Like ole Shameless will swear to,,,I "used To Be" cheep bout most everything but with my new found windfall,,,, I gots some extra dollars courtasy of our President and I'm doing MY part in helpin to kick starting the economy,,,Ya see,,,??? OH,,and Michael,,,I worked on a small chinese quad my younger Brother brought me to get running, which I did after bypassing all them dang silly alarms, shutdowns just jerked all the extra chit and rewired the necessities to start and run,,,,THEN he ordered 4 new tires for it and wanted me to install em and I told him to take to a tire shop and he FU'ed and just took em and dropped em off and told the guy he be back next day,,,,,,He was madder than chit when the dude charged him $25 PER tire said them small tires are worst than a 50 year old tracror tire that been settin out in the sun,,,,,, Thas why I want to buy one of those small jobbies for the lawn mower sized tires and ole Tom gots a good point in that mounting on a shop table ain't gonna work as too high for using it,,You gotta have it mounted at bout knee level for being able to use some force to get them dang tires off and ON,,
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