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Charlie175 
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 6:58am |
Does anyone have the Brochure or pamphlet on the ASAE drawbar for the B? I need a scanned image/PDF
Our local pull club is starting a strictly stock class and I need to prove that it came as a option. So we will have Stock, 3.5 mph (Slight mods), 6 MPH hot class.
Disappointed that they removed the 1957 Production Model Year rule and instead put 1959 and earlier only models. This rules out my 1961 D-17. I tried to argue the point that no major changes were made for the model run other than hydraulics but it got turned down after the discussion got cloudy about many other models that could qualify (Oliver 770/880/1800/1900...) The other item I didn't like was that if equipped with a T/A, PD, it could not be used. Keep in mind this is a heavy JD club.
The rule inclusion I did like was you could not enter a class below your factory shipping weight. This will keep the heavies from stripping down to pull in low classes.
I'm excited about the stock class, hope it turns out well.
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BrettPhillips
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 7:16am |
Charlie:
The ASAE drawbar attachment is in the B/C parts book. If you need one of the drawbars, let me know, as I made a few of them some time ago and might still have a spare one. If I don't have one, I know I have an Autocad sketch. One thing I don't have spares of are the braces that come down from the seat support angles. They are just flat bar, and would be easy to make.
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Charlie175
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 7:38am |
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I have one already, My support braces are adjustable though, were they stock?
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 7:59am |
Charlie
The adjustable drawbar support braces are stock AC items.
I do believe though that the flat bar braces were the ones that came in the box when you bought the ASAE option kit.
I think the adjustable braces came along as parts of the belly sickle mower kit.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 8:33am |
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As Ken says, the turnbuckle style "braces" are actually part of the belly mounted sickle bar mower attachment. I have a pair of the flat bar ASAE drawbar braces if you'd like to measure them up.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 9:27am |
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Could you post pic's of these drawbar set-ups for those of us who are still trying to learn about these great old tractors?
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Charlie175
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 9:41am |
Here is the ASAE drawbar and Turn buckle supports
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 10:00am |
Thanks for the pic. Now, I have other questions.
Were both the ASAE drawbar and the swinging drawbar available throughout the production run of the B model. If not, what years were each offered?
Also, were the flat bar ASAE drawbar braces supposed to be used when the swinging drawbar was used?
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 10:44am |
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I would NOT use that ASAE drawbar. I am assuming the ASAE drawbar is that extension shown in the picture of the adjustable seat links. It puts your hitch point too far behind the rear axle for good weight transfer to the rear wheels. Depending on drawbar height and tow chain length, you could really have a wheelie queen. I'd hook a clevis right to the center hole on the semi-circular drawbar for pulling. JMO
Edited by TedBuiskerN.IL. - 08 Mar 2012 at 10:47am
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 10:50am |
WARNING: LONG!! Here is a borrowed picture from the agcopartsbooks.com site that shows the ASAE drawbar along with the standard drawbar and the braces. The online parts book makes it look like the braces were standard equipment, but older paper books make it clear that the braces were part of the ASAE drawbar kit.
Here is a picture of my nasty old C from a few years ago that shows it hitched to my All Crop 40 combine using the ASAE drawbar and an extension. This picture helps to illustrate why the ASAE drawbar standard was adopted. Before the late 1930's there was no standard drawbar location. Manufacturers and farmers struggled to make implements work between different makes and models, and the addition of a PTO complicated matters further. In order to make universal joints work properly, the hitch point needs to be located close to the middle of the implement PTO shaft, both side to side and lengthwise. Since hitches and PTO locations were all over the place, A-C (and others) made a whole raft of hitches for their early PTO driven implements like the All Crops. These hitches mounted to the tractor and put the hitch point where it needed to be in order for the U-joints to be happy. Although the All Crop 40 was designed with the B and C tractors in mind, it had to fit others as well, so there was even an adapter hitch made for the B and C. These are even harder to find than 40 combines these days, so here is my version, based on the ASAE drawbar: (Pardon my goofy hat! Also, I've lost about 75 lbs since this picture was taken, so don't be alarmed if you see me soon.) 
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 11:27am |
Maybe it is the picture, but my ASAE drawbar for the B does lot look that long and skinny. It is fatter and somewhat shorter. Maybe it is just the camera angle.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 11:29am |
Brett, If you have flat brace drawings, my email is open. I did not know about the extension, I guess I should look at my Special Attachments and Hitches book......... So much info, so little time! Glenn
Edited by GlenninPA - 08 Mar 2012 at 11:29am
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 12:04pm |
Glenn: My extension looks nothing like the original hitch for the 40, but it accomplishes the same thing. The ASAE hitch didn't come out until the B was several years old and 40 production had ended by then. Regarding my ASAE hitch plate, I measured an NOS one and had a few cut out at work. I checked, and I don't have a sketch of the braces, just the hitch plate.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 12:09pm |
Since we're wallowing in hitches, I dug up my picture of an original All Crop 40 drawbar attachment for the B or C. I believe this was the early style, but would have to check the hitch catalog to be sure. At any rate, one was like this one, and the other one looked something from an Erector set...
Edited by BrettPhillips - 08 Mar 2012 at 12:10pm
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 12:25pm |
 TedBuiskerN.IL. wrote:
I would NOT use that ASAE drawbar. I am assuming the ASAE drawbar is that extension shown in the picture of the adjustable seat links. It puts your hitch point too far behind the rear axle for good weight transfer to the rear wheels. Depending on drawbar height and tow chain length, you could really have a wheelie queen. I'd hook a clevis right to the center hole on the semi-circular drawbar for pulling. JMO
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Here is what has resulted in my experiences pulling my B:
1: With ASAE hitch front stays planted but I sometimes spin out
2: Hooked direct to drawbar, front rises easily, powers out
3: Clevis to drawbar, a mix of 1 and 2.
Chain length plays a good part in this.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 3:47pm |
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Just when you think your unbeatable in your pulling class somebody will show up with a beat up old rusty smoker out of a fence row with undersize mismatched set of cracked rock hard rears and gets the bragin rights. Naturally with a farm stock non adjustable unscientificly designed for pulling drawbar taboot.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 4:02pm |
This drawbar was shortened for pulling and I have never even had the Allis expurts say anything about it not being stock. It did make a difference against other B's. If you study real close you can see where I shortened it. No weld lines lines to see. I'll help with another picture.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 6:23pm |
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It does not appear in the second picture that the span is the same on the stock and modified drawbars, how does it bolt up??
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Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 9:46pm |
Chris:
The wider drawbar is for a C, and the narrow one is for a B...
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