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 Topic: 8050 with n7 gleaner engine in it?
Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 6:12pm |
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A guy has for sale an 8050 with an n7 gleaner engine in it. I looked it up and it is 270hp. Can the rear end keep up with that engine? It has a power director transmission and the low side isn't working properly. Does that engine actually bolt up to that transmission? Assuming power director has to be rebuilt what would be the price range for that fix. I am guessing $5,000? Attracted to the horsepower but might be a nightmare to keep it running.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 6:31pm |
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My 7580 was turning 300 ish with an 8.3 Cummins that wasn’t a good combination.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 6:43pm |
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Having 270 HP and using 270 HP are two different things. Having 270 HP and using all of it and having the tractor weighted down for traction will eventually result in BAD things happening. This also assumes all this power is going to the ground and not thru the PTO. There was someone posting a project like this on this website, but it was to be used for pulling a forage chopper, so maybe in that case some things could survive, like 180 HP thru the PTO and 90 HP thru the axles. The other thing that is bad about this engine is it makes its HP at slower RPM's, which is BAD for the driveline/transmission.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 7:27pm |
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Appreciate the replies. I figured this would be the one that I probably should stay away from but I thought maybe I could have the n7 engine removed and find an 8050 engine or maybe 8070 engine. Although I said my next tractor would be powershift.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 7:45pm |
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Where is this tractor located ?? Wisconsin ?? Like to see the ad trying to sell it.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 8:17pm |
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I went and saw this unit today. Very well done .They had a Perkins in it before going with the N7.Think they have it sold.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 8:37pm |
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2WD or FWA ??
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 8:40pm |
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FWA serial 1015. It's a little east of Decatur Il.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 8:51pm |
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 8:51pm |
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It is on Facebook. It is in Laplace,Illinois. I like the exhaust moved to the side. Nice duals and nice tires all the way around. Fwa looks good.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 8:53pm |
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Makes me laugh. Had a 426 that when adjusted to factory settings was 170 PTO HP. Then, they install a PERKINS ??? Really ??? They never had an engine that would match a 426 for HP. And so now we have more engine that the driveline can stand !!! Gotta laugh at this. They must have more money and time to just play around without a real plan !!!
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:01pm |
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Daehler, nice you looked at it. I am curious what you thought of the power director issue? He says it moved. He also claimed on Facebook that it had 300+ hp. Not sure how that was true. That's a lot of engine transfers between original, Perkins, and n7.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:03pm |
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There's always a want for more horsepower. I don't understand what is wrong with the 426 other than it doesn't have the long 7-8000 engine hour life at its higher horsepower. My rebuilt 8070 was running 6.5 mph with a 40ft 1300 this summer preparing alfalfa ground.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:10pm |
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Daehler, nice you looked at it. I am curious what you thought of the power director issue? He says it moved. He also claimed on Facebook that it had 300+ hp. Not sure how that was true. That's a lot of engine transfers between original, Perkins, and n7. |
Dr. Allis would have more knowledge on low being out but it could be in valve body and solenoid not shifting back to low or in clutch packs. Possibly of have the increased horsepower could of took the clutches out of low. People put 8.3 Cummins in 4w220s and some 8070s all the time. Ive heard of a 8070 2wd up north of me taking the spider gears out of the rear end every few years with a 8.3 but hadn't been told if it had any tranny issues.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:13pm |
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Twisted off low range input shaft.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:17pm |
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That was my guess that it was too much engine for transmission but I don't know much. Did the engine seem good? Not sure he has an offer though.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:20pm |
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I think transmission failure rates on the 7580/4W-220 with an 8.3 Cummins was fairly high. Same thing...input shaft failures or input gear failures from too much torque and slower engine speeds.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:27pm |
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If I remember correctly, the original 426 went down around 1200 hrs. Then the Perkins went in. Ran several years until the N7 came available from a local dealer that has been out of business for 15 years or more . So I was led to believe that it been in that tractor for several years.. Said was used for tillage, bat wing mower and grain cart. It will move in the low side when the oil is cold but slips when warm. High side is ok.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:28pm |
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Must have been used pretty hard to be on its 3rd engine in 40 years. Sounds like they put in whatever was laying around and cheap. What a shame, it is the 15th one made! Could have been worth good money if it still had the 426 in it.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:29pm |
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That sounds like a clutch issue, not input shaft.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:31pm |
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The extra $$$$$ spent to shove a different engine into some of these tractors surely costs more than just fixing the 426 most of the time. But a PERKINS ??? that was just dumb.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:32pm |
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My best guess is go back to original but there aren't many of them left. Seems like the engine will continue to screw with the transmission even if fixed. Ant some point it becomes a fantastic parts tractor.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:41pm |
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I have to agree. How much would it have cost to rebuild the original engine? Even crazier, how much did it cost to retrofit these other engines? There is a reason why engines and transmissions are matched.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 9:47pm |
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The guys are pro hotrod builders so modifying to them is piece of cake. What they did to the combine cabs is just nuts since most of it looks factory.
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Posted: 09 Jan 2022 at 10:59pm |
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Apparently you saw some other creative mechanical building with combines from the seller?
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Posted: 10 Jan 2022 at 12:03am |
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I'll post them when they I get them home. Dr. Allis won't believe that N7, has majority of P3 updates to cage, extra buttons like hawk series on hydro handle, R series sheet metal and unloading tube all done factory as a experimental machine. Is a 2500 some odd serial number if i remember right, plus has a spotlight mounted factory in the roof visor with knob and switch located in the left farthest tattle tale compartment that's normally a blank. Machine has test port hoses all over it where they connected gauges to it. Was one of 10 machines built like it from what they said. I hope to get intouch with some old test engineers this year and get them to look at the thing. Got me to thinking that if I could find one of the last N7s that had R sheet metal, then I could swap unloading auger swivel and all the unique options to it to make it a runnable machine. Unfortunately machine as is would take a small fortune to make it to operable running condition. I'm going to take numerous photos to atleast somewhat preserve what that machine was.
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Posted: 10 Jan 2022 at 6:29am |
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The N-7 prototype equipment wouldn't surprise me a bit. Allis/Deutz-Allis had to have a place to create the first R-7 and test it, then the R-60 and finally R-60 with the P-3 processor. These guys apparently don't mind cutting something up and changing it. But, a PERKINS ????…...
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Posted: 10 Jan 2022 at 7:17am |
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Hey Doc, he didn't say what perkins, I know the mind goes right to a 354, but maybe they slid a 540 or 640 in it? Funny how sometimes small engines end up transplanted, like a D21 with a 226! Lmfao! Someone actually did that!
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Posted: 10 Jan 2022 at 7:23am |
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I thought about the two big Perkins V-8's, but doing that would have been like killing a member of your own family !!
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Posted: 10 Jan 2022 at 8:33am |
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It's been over 20 years ago, local farmer had a 7080, 8.3 conversion. He used it a lot on hay sled moving hay, but he always said that the pd clutch was the limiting factor. I just leave the ole 426 in my 7080., Mike
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