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Johnwilson_osf 
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Posted: 20 hours 29 minutes ago at 5:16pm |
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Foreman was taking the 8050 PD and chisel plow to another field, and couldn't pull the small hill in between. Lots of black smoke coming from the exhaust. He changed from 4th into 3rd, and got the same results. I get back to the farm and give it a try, and i can pull the hill in 2nd, with the tractor responding to all throttle input. In 3rd or higher, tractor slows forward motion, and belches tons of black smoke.
Not quite sure where to stay looking. Transmission is correct oil level. Rear end is correct oil level. Engine is correct as well. Is my turbo not pushing air, or could my torque limiter be slipping?
Thank you for your thoughts.
John
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Lynn Marshall
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Posted: 19 hours 59 minutes ago at 5:46pm |
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Take the hose off at the front of the turbo and look there.
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Posted: 19 hours 56 minutes ago at 5:49pm |
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Look over the intake manifold, making sure no plugs are missing, or gasket blown, hard to see on the intercooled ones between the valve cover and intercooler, can look from the top. Blown crossover hose? Turbo locked up? Putting a pressure gauge in the intake manifold is one of the first steps to diagnosing a low power issue on a turbo diesel.
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Posted: 19 hours 39 minutes ago at 6:06pm |
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I would try changing the fuel filter first.
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Posted: 19 hours 34 minutes ago at 6:11pm |
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This may sound elementary and probably isnt the problem but to cover all the bases i would ensure the air cleaner and hose to turbo isnt stopped up
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Posted: 18 hours 52 minutes ago at 6:53pm |
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I have a lowly WD that I think the air cleaner is stopped up. Kind of similar symptoms.
Waiting for a little warmer day to remove, disassemble, and power wash the screen material.
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Posted: 18 hours 51 minutes ago at 6:54pm |
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Air filter and restrictions , go from there
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Posted: 18 hours 48 minutes ago at 6:57pm |
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bad seal in turbo?
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Johnwilson_osf
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Posted: 18 hours 37 minutes ago at 7:08pm |
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Thank you for all the options. I will look into them at first light tomorrow. I changed all the filters about 20 hours ago in preparation for fall harvest and tillage. I will have to get into the intake beyond the air filter to see if there are any blockages. What would a turbo problem look like? Will i notice anything in particular when i pull off the air intake hose?
John
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Posted: 17 hours 7 minutes ago at 8:38pm |
Before you pull air intake from turbo, go first to the 8050’s engine’s air filter canister & inspect for a bird’s nest built around outside of air filters?? Have had similar results if tractor has been dormant for months. Sparrows & black Starlings seem to love the Allis tractors engine air intakes before filter. They can enter thru pre-cleaner vents & pack their nesting/straw/twigs tight inside it.
Edited by AC7060IL - 15 hours 60 minutes ago at 9:45pm
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Posted: 16 hours 56 minutes ago at 8:49pm |
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hard to imagine a bird being able to get through the screen on the asperatoron an 8000
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Posted: 7 hours 22 minutes ago at 6:23am |
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As said start at the air cleaner and work your way to the turbo been 4 or 5 years since I’ve been under the hood of an 8000 series but should be a hose clamp on the inlet side of the turbo loosen that clamp and wiggle that 3 to 4 inch hose off the turbo
Once it’s off you can see the vanes of the turbo should be able to spin it by stick your finger in there if it spins freely and there’s no play in the shaft fire the engine and make sure it’s spinning while running
My experience with a turbo going down we got a lot of grey smoke and loss of power but that was on a 4450 John Deere
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Posted: 6 hours 14 minutes ago at 7:31am |
My experience with a turbo going down we got a lot of grey smoke and loss of power but that was on a 4450 John Deere [/QUOTE]
That was my same experience when I drove tractor trailer for UPS, I was going N. on the Jersey tp. above Newark to Meadowlands and the smoke was so dense I could not see the cars headlights in my mirrors at night, bad seal in the turbo.
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Posted: 4 hours 56 minutes ago at 8:49am |
 Johnwilson_osf wrote:
... I get back to the farm and give it a try, and i can pull the hill in 2nd, with the tractor responding to all throttle input. In 3rd or higher, tractor slows forward motion, and belches tons of black smoke.
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This, to me, seems to indicate your problem is in the transmission.
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Posted: 3 hours 55 minutes ago at 9:50am |
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Somebody may have suggested a boost guage i dont know. That would definitely determine if the black smoke is lack of air ir load from something in the driveline tightening up
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DrAllis
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Posted: 3 hours 18 minutes ago at 10:27am |
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I believe it is a lack of air/turbo boost. A failed turbo, a failed boost rubber hose, missing plug on the intercooler (the BIG plug...likely), blown intercooler/intake gasket to the cylinder head (seen many of those), birds nest in the air cleaner intake (not likely on an 8000). Lastly, the intra-advance inside the injection pump could very well have failed causing the pump timing to retard from 36 degrees down to 19 degrees. I've had two of those over the years and it melted piston tops, requiring a major OH of the engine and then figure out it was the injection pump that caused it. Lastly, you could have a blown head gasket or an injector tip that has blown off. These two problems take a trained "ear" to detect, and if not dealt with quickly can cause you many extra $$$$$$$ to repair.
Edited by DrAllis - 1 minute ago at 1:44pm
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