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joe ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: SW Ontario Points: 154 |
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Could go one of two ways. Have considered doing some work to the 200. Rebuild PD, service IP and injectors, rebuild/replace as necessary. New rock shaft bushings/seals. New cab kit. The list is potentially quite long. Always having fuel supply issues (being starved) with this tractor as well. All has to do with the tank, just don't know what's wrong there.
Also came across a 7020 with 4200hrs. Looks real nice in the pictures. Needs a new cab kit as well, but it has I-PTO, PFC hydraulics with decent flow(this was standard, right?), diff lock, a bit more power, a quieter cab, factory A/C, wet brakes, doesn't jump out of gear, wet main clutch. Seemingly has quite a bit going for it.
This one has the 6x2 spd PS transmission. How are these for reliability? What about parts availability? I've read something about trans brakes on 7000/8000 tractors. Would it be applicable to this tractor? Also wondering about the engine being pushed this hard, I know 123PTO HP is at the upper limit for the 301, but how big an issue is it? Anything major to look out for on the 7020? Also wondering if the PTO clutch is wet? I assume it is, but don't see mention of it too many places. Thanks you for taking the time to read and reply to this. |
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tomNE ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: dorchester, ne Points: 1225 |
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make sure it has a water filter!
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AC from the start of my families farming career till the end!
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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I think he means coolent filter. MACK
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wayneIA ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Location: Waverly, IA Points: 268 |
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120 PTO HP isn't too much, won't live as long as one running 90 HP for sure, but I wouldn't be too worried about it. The 8030's with the 301 in them were the ones that I thought would be a short lived engine. I had a 190 XT on my dyno at 138 HP, and he farmed with it. Said it originally was turning 145, but I think it had 1000-1500 hours on it since it was checked at that level, so the pump and injectors were probably getting a little weak. I didn't notice an excessive amount of blow-by on it, but I was standing behind the tractor and looking more closely at the dyno gauges than the tractor.
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Peterson ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Location: Westboro, Wi Points: 864 |
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8030's have 426.
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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A 190 at 138 hp......... my first worry wouldn't be the engine. But I definitely would have a big worry.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21535 |
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The models 7020 and 200 are two different classes of tractor in my opinion. The 200 being very powerful and nimble for its size and weight. The 7020 being much more feature oriented and more of a horse around the farmstead. Each has their strengths and weaknesses. Replacing a 200 with a 7020?? ...the first thing I'd do is remove all fluid from the rear tires and that will get the 7020 down a little closer to what a 200 actually weighs with fluid in the rears.
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joe ![]() Bronze Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: SW Ontario Points: 154 |
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I think the 200 or 7020 would do the trick. It's mostly meant to be as a tillage tractor or something to put on the forage harvester. The 200 would work, but I really wouldn't mind something more comfortable, more features, more power, more weight. Have a decent 185 and JD 4030 for hay etc. Have looked into a magnum 7110 as well given their reputation, but they're substantially more expensive, but sometimes I think it'd be the right choice. I really want something that won't nickel and dime us to death. The magnum and a 7000/8000 Allis fit that criteria based on the research I've done. What are your thoughts?
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TimNearFortWorth ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Dec 2009 Points: 2014 |
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Next door neighbor was doing hay with a 7110 last week and that unit is impressive. Nice bark out of that big Cummins and it is my understanding that these were pretty much still an all mechanical (vs. computer) unit that is quite tough. Interesting that they still command 40-$50K for a decent 2WD and I have been told these early 1990's Magnums are worth the money, if you can find one.
One of the better looking tractors out there in the 130hp class in my opinion and the cab corner exhaust also gives a nice working view. |
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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Probably the best for their time are the 7100 series Magnums IMO but they weren't without problems. The cummins had major piston failures at first and I believe there were some early issues with the transmissions. (could be I'm thinking the 88 series had the tranny problems....... I know they did in fact) The PTO was always a weak spot but most consider that a minor thing. I've had farmers tell me the 7100 series, after the early problems were fixed, are the best of the box car Magnums. One thing I don't like is all the plastic in the cabs. Levers and little stuff always breaking.
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ToddnwIl ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 07 May 2013 Location: Illinois Points: 306 |
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I was in your very spot last year. I needed a tractor in the 130 horse power range. I wanted to pull our round baler and haul manure with it. That was it's to main uses. I looked for over 6 months at 7000 and 8000 series and even at magnums since my wife is a red gal. I needed 3 hydraulics and duel pto. I ended buying an agco allis 9435 two wheel drive. It has a Dt 466 motor and the Massey semi powershift. So far in the year I have owned it we haven't had any problems with it.
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Leon B MO ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Old Monroe, Mo Points: 2179 |
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If you like your 200, then I think you'll be happy with the power-shift 7020. I have a pd 7020, the only drawback is the visibility. If you were going to pull it hard in some sort of all day tillage, I would go larger. But if it's basically taking the place of the 200, you would be hard pressed to find something better for the same money.
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Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself".
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GM Guy ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 31 Jul 2012 Location: NW KS / S.C. ID Points: 1985 |
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The thing I like about the 7020 is that it has the big beefy transmission and rear end that its bigger brothers have, very beefy.
The 301 wont have the low grunt the 426 will, but I imagine at PTO speed on the chopper it will still do fine. the Powershift will help with that, you can click down a gear if it isn't hacking it. Overall I really like the 7000 series tractors (except for the 7000, and even it isn't bad, just not as good as the rest of the series) and they have served well, without costing hardly anything. a few control cables and a/c work are all ours have asked for above oil and filters, very cheap to operate. |
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