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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 838 |
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Had a flat tire on my 7010 and got to looking at it and the outside of the tire is rubbing against the spindle. The other side has a good 1 inch clearance from tire to spindle. Since these distances are different, there must be a way to adjust the distance? There is a big nut right there. Both tires are 11.00-16 F2. If they can be adjusted, what is the procedure? Does the tie rod have to be loosened as well? Even worse, tire people are telling me that I have to get a new rim because the tire isn't sealing. We already tried a tube and it failed so this is my 2nd flat tire. Any help is appreciated. ![]() |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85678 |
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normally that is caused by a failed wheel bearing.. have you tried wiggling the wheel hub on the shaft ? You can get some loss of clearance if the king pin bushings are worn, but probably not 1 inch.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 838 |
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I never thought about that. I will inspect the bearings and hub. Funny you say that. I was reading in the 7010 operators manual and it suggested changing the wheel bearings on a regular basis like once a year. I had never heard of that frequency.
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Boss Man ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 03 Mar 2018 Location: Greenleaf, WI Points: 617 |
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Wheel bearing or wrong offset on the rim. Had an IH come in and somewhere along the line someone changed the rim. After checking for a bent spindle and bad wheel bearings. I happen to look at the rims and they were different from side to side.
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Tim NH ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Location: Lancaster NH Points: 1118 |
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I had to get a replacement rim for my 7000. The tire is close to 2" from spindle. The other side is original, and is a little over an inch. Also your rim is mounted 180' different than mine.
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1950 WD 1959 D14 1955 WD45 1976 7000 B 207
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21399 |
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A-C didn't recommend replacing the wheel bearings every year. They wanted the wheel bearings repacked in grease every year, which never ever happened.
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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That makes MUCH MORE SENSE
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 85678 |
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Also your rim is mounted 180' different than min
TIM has a good idea... make sure the tire / rim are not turned inside out..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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DSeries4 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7440 |
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Take the tire off and grab the hub and try to move it back and forth. If there is a lot of movement, the drop spindle and bushings are worn out. I had to get a new spindle made for my D21 in the winter because it was so worn. At the top it wears closer to the engine and at the bottom it wears closer to the wheel.
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'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 838 |
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Thanks for all of the feedback. The good dr. is right. I reread that and it said remove, clean and repack bearings at every 500 hours. I did shake the hub and it has very little movement and play so I think the hub is good and bearings good, but I am going to replace the bearings while I have it off. Never thought about a reverse on the rim either. One of my friends said that he believes he bent a spindle due to hard use at some point on his JD and thought that could have happened to mine. I can't imagine how hard you would have to hit something to bend those spindles but maybe it is true. He has the same issue with one side being much closer. I have come to the conclusion there is no adjustment and no one has mentioned that. My 190xt nearly had the wheel fly off this past year in road gear due to worn bearings so I am replacing both front sets on both tractors after that near scary incident. I have a spare tire that someone gave me but it is the 14L size versus the 11.00-16 F2 that I have. Tire won't fit without rubbing. However, I think the rim is the right size, so am considering removing the tire and using this rim. Does a 14L have a different rim size? Tire guy said my tubeless tire wouldn't seal on the rim I have so will try this other rim instead. if it fits Most likely have to buy a new tire. Oh well, new bearings and new tires should be a good thing in the long run. As long as they are installed right way. I would think that the valve stem would be on the inside versus the outside if it was reverse? I will report back when I figure more out.
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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Your 14L tire most likely takes a wider rim and I bet it is 14L x 16.1 and that rim from that tire will not work for a 16" tire. You need to have the right width rim with the right offset.
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Gary ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Peterborough,On Points: 5882 |
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I'd switch tire and rim assembly's from side to side and see if there is any difference. Gary |
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 838 |
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Thanks. May have to get another rim then. I continue to wonder if the rim I have is original or not. Since offset is wrong from the spindle, the bearings seem to be good and there is no adjustment, maybe I have wrong rim anyway. I checked on miller tire and they only offer one rim in the 11.00-16 8 lug style.
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 838 |
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Gary, that is a good idea. While a minor hassle, it would clarify everything for me.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11975 |
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I guess you could go through the work of swapping the tires side to side, but I'm thinking a straight edge and tape measure could easily tell you the same thing. |
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HD6GTOM ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: MADISON CO IA Points: 6627 |
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Make sure you get a rim for a tractor, not a wagon rim. The centers on wagon rims are not as heavy as tractor rims. A salvage lot would be a good place to look. It looks like this rim is wider than necessary
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shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13607 |
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many years ago i had a wheel bearing go out on my 7010, no one had the right one, they all said it was a dealer item only. i'm sure that has changed by now...just sum info for ya.
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 838 |
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I think I got to the bottom of this tire issue. Turns out that the Firestone Tubeless tire is the size that gives me about the 1 inch separation and no rubbing. The Harvest King Tube type is the one that rubs the tractor. I used a straight edge and compared front and back offsets on the two rims and they are the same. I asked my tire guy to get me a tubeless tire although he was having a hard time locating quickly a Firestone to match my other side. The other problem is that they tried the last time it went flat and couldn't get a tubeless tire on the rim to seal. So I have to get back operational and hope that the new tire works without rubbing and seals. Not all 11.00-16 F-2s are equal. He does have 4 rib Firestone versus 3 rib but I am not sure if that will create a rubbing problem. I am also not sure what is better for haymaking, 3 rib or 4 rib? Does it even matter? Finally, I ordered my bearing kit from all states ag so hope it is a match. Should be here tomorrow/today and hope to have the tire tomorrow and operational for baling in the afternoon. Thanks for the straight edge idea as it saved me some time and eliminated the wrong rim size idea. Thanks for all responses as well.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11975 |
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I prefer 4 rib tires in the hayfield. Less digging/cutting. But it's really not a big deal.
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 838 |
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I got the new tire installed and it is a tubeless Farm King Crop Max 3 rib. Not my first choice, but I was limited. The clearance is now the same on both sides about 1 inch. Apparently that tube type was not correct. Tire guy said that rim was reversible so I could get more or less clearance by reversing it. Tim's might be reversed for that reason but I still have the valve stems on the outside so that is good. I will buy a matching tire for the other side once hay season is over or it goes flat. Will also install new bearings. Now I got to get get outside and start raking and baling! Thanks for the feedback. Case closed.
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Dusty MI ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Charlotte, Mi Points: 5058 |
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I've found that if you add a grease zerk to the front wheel, and give it a shot of grease every so often, the wheel bearings much better.
Dusty
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calico190xt68 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 838 |
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When I bought it, it already had a grease zerk in the dust cap on both front wheels, if that is what you mean, so I am good there. There was lots of grease in there two. I bought it in spring of 2019 so am still learning about the 7010 series. That tire was like that when I bought it but it only recently started rubbing after I had it repaired with new tube. Got fatter somehow with more air. Thanks.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11975 |
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Glad you got it going!
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