70 series planter

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   Hello all been awhile. Anyway I have a two row allis charmers 70 series planter. I have some issues. For starters my false rings are wore. Probably as much as 1/8 inch in some places. I used the planter for soybeans and it over populated with the correct tooth count sprocket. My false rings are metal with metal plates. I was curious to see if it is actually cast or steel. I was going to weld the rings up and grind them back smooth being as new rings are 94 a piece. My next question is about converting to plastic with Lincoln ag products. Not sure about price after I buy the conversion kit. My goal is strictly sunflowers. I have the sunflower plates but unsure on what sprockets for correct population and seed count. All help is very appreciated 

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a-hall Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: West Kentucky Points: 10	Post Options Post Reply Quote a-hall Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 70 series planter Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 3:55pm
	Hello all been awhile. Anyway I have a two row allis charmers 70 series planter. I have some issues. For starters my false rings are wore. Probably as much as 1/8 inch in some places. I used the planter for soybeans and it over populated with the correct tooth count sprocket. My false rings are metal with metal plates. I was curious to see if it is actually cast or steel. I was going to weld the rings up and grind them back smooth being as new rings are 94 a piece. My next question is about converting to plastic with Lincoln ag products. Not sure about price after I buy the conversion kit. My goal is strictly sunflowers. I have the sunflower plates but unsure on what sprockets for correct population and seed count. All help is very appreciated Edited by a-hall - 11 Apr 2016 at 3:55pm

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SHAMELESS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486	Post Options Post Reply Quote SHAMELESS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 5:59pm
	they are cast. and do you have extra sprockets? if so you can change them around for the right or close to right seed placement! if you want to test it....jack up your planter, get you a bucket to sit on, grab a magic marker, put your seed in with the plates you wanna use, just a couple hand fulls will do, turn the drive wheel (packer wheel) slow and when the first seed drops out...mark your wheel, then turn until a next seed drops out and mark that spot, keep turning until you've gone all the way around at least once. then measure the distance between the marks, that will be the spacing of your seed. write it down with what sprockets you used and where and what plate #! now if you plant more beans, use a seec corn plate that has 24 cells for big round seed, that will cut down the amount of seed being planted, I had to do that one year when the seed beans were about BB size! and it worked well! also put a little oil on that cast plate before using.

tbran Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3477	Post Options Post Reply Quote tbran Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 7:04pm
	Soybeans were double in size when the first AC units were built. Get some beans from Lincoln Ag - The yellow soybean plates and follow above advice as to checking for spacing. The AC 70345435 or the plate ending ins 772 were the castor bean and the only plate that would come close to the chart. The wear may be some issue - but the plates are 90%...the problem if you are using the 70310772 Ac plate .
	When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..

SteveM C/IL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8485	Post Options Post Reply Quote SteveM C/IL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 9:40pm
	Yep...them ol AC clicking planters were better than doing it by hand...

a-hall Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: West Kentucky Points: 10	Post Options Post Reply Quote a-hall Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Apr 2016 at 5:12pm
	Thanks for the replies but I'm doing sunflowers. I have several sprockets and the sunflower plates. New false rings are $93. Now then Lincoln ag told me they could sell me an adapter and use their plastic plates however I am unsure of if I need their filler ring and how it all goes with my planter.

mgraham112 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 24 Jan 2016 Location: SE Points: 12	Post Options Post Reply Quote mgraham112 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Apr 2016 at 9:23pm
	Use 9 sprocket for seed and 14 for drive wheel to get 7.5" spacing. You need the filler ring for the Lincoln ag plates. Could you jb weld the false ring and sand smooth? I was actually going to order two false rings tomorrow, but at $93 each, I'll pass..

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mgraham112 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 24 Jan 2016 Location: SE Points: 12	Post Options Post Reply Quote mgraham112 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Apr 2016 at 6:27am
	I thought I put a description with the picture but I don't see it. That is the smallest soybean plate from Lincoln ag and as you can see almost 3 beans fill the cell. These are eagle soybeans from 2 years ago, hopefully they haven't gotten smaller. I filled my false ring with devcon metal patch and fill and it was easy to do and sand smooth. Hopefully this will help with doubles. Edited by mgraham112 - 14 Apr 2016 at 6:29am

tbran Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3477	Post Options Post Reply Quote tbran Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Apr 2016 at 5:33pm
	Lincoln will advise - but we think you do need the fillers
	When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..

tbran Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3477	Post Options Post Reply Quote tbran Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Apr 2016 at 5:34pm
	make sure the cut off tongue is adjusted to clear the plate - that is with the allen screw...
	When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..

SHAMELESS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486	Post Options Post Reply Quote SHAMELESS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Apr 2016 at 5:52pm
	if you are using jd plates, all you need is the adapter that sets in the middle of the plate, Lincoln ag #MC4300. they are $20. each. if you are talking about the round cast ring that you hinge outta the way to change plates, someone on here should have good used ones they'll sell you a lot cheaper!