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6V Wiring for generator on C

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    Posted: 10 Apr 2016 at 12:57pm
Looking for some guidance on how to wire this 6V generator on my C so it will charge the battery. There wasn't any wiring on this tractor when I got it. Don't plan to run any lights on this tractor. It's my mowing tractor but I do need the charging system to work correctly. The simpler the better.

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If the other post on the Gennie is the "F" (Field) post, run a wire from that post to the three position switch where the terminal for the resistor is. The other side of the cutout relay runs to the negative side (-) of the Ammeter.  If the Gennie is good, should charge for you providing the three position switch is properly grounded...  HTH
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Can it be wired to just a regular on/off switch?
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Yes, you can wire the field to an off-on switch, but it will either charge at 10+amps or not charge at all when the switch is off. If you let the switch on too long, you can damage your battery. The 3 position switch allows the genny to charge at 3 amps when the knob is pushed out, or charge at 10 amps with the knob pulled out. Bob
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ac fleet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 10:30am
If the gen. has been run very long in that "open"  environment, then it's junk and would most likely have to be completely re-built and install new cut-out along with it!
My $ 0.0002 would be to change to 12-v 1- wire alternator neg ground . lots cheaper in long run and more reliable , more optional equipment uses can be put on tractor too with 12-v neg. system! thanks; ac fleet
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The gunny has never ran on this tractor. Came off a running C. Genny suppose to work great.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ac fleet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 8:37pm
Steve?---what if he removed the cut-out and installed a regulator?---then no switch needed, right? thanks; ac fleet
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Once you get it wired up, don't start the engine till you polarize the generator or you might let the smoke out of it. Steve can prolly tell you what it might cost to put the smoke back in Shocked

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Yes you can use a 6V regulator, it has the cut out built in. Much better than just the cut out alone.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AJ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2016 at 8:30am
Ok. So how would I wire that exactly. I currently just have an on/off switch on there to get fire to the distributer.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CTuckerNWIL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2016 at 8:44am
I have a friend that had his generator die on an M Farmall. He put in a 12 volt battery and coil and has ran that tractor for over 10 years with no charging system. He doesn't ever use lights, but uses the starter and it is battery ignition. Depending on use, he might charge the battery once a month.
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That's pretty much all I'm doing with mine. Start it and run it.
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With the manual charging control as built originally, battery life is highly dependent on operator attention to not overcharging or undercharging the battery. The charging rate depends on the engine speed, so charging for a fixed length of time isn't accurate. Limited overcharging converts electrolyte water to and explosive mixture of hydrogen and oxygen so the battery needs topping up often. A vintage voltage regulator improves that situation. But its less than perfect because the SAE standard for voltage regulators allowed them to vary from 6.5 to 7.5 volts on a 6 volt system. 6.5 volts won't get the battery fully charged and 7.5 volts will be a certain overcharge. They can be adjusted but stlll have some range. 7.1 volts is the ideal voltage for a starting battery with a 1260 specific gravity full charge. 14.2 for a 12 volt starting battery, a little less for a deep cycle battery. That ideal charging voltage also depends on the battery temperature being lowest at about 68F and rising gently for higher and lower battery temperatures. Starting and charging does warm a battery above the ambient but I don't know of any modern regulator checking the battery temperature (standard practice in Lithium Ion battery packs for computers and telephones). A solid state regulator can hold the voltage to a closer tolerance and vary the voltage according to the regulator's ambient. The first one I built about 1969 did that without my planning for it and significantly extended battery life in that car.

A voltage regulator generally has three terminals marked B, A, and F. Sometimes a fourth marked L. B goes to the battery through the ammeter. The ignition switch connects to the generator side of the ammeter, as does the light switch and other accessories if there is no L terminal. A goes to the armature on the generator, generally the large post. F goes to the field. Both the generator and the regulator must have their cases solidly grounded. If there is an L terminal, the light switch and switches for other accessories connect to L so they can only be run when the generator is putting out power, not with the engine stopped.

The voltage regulator will include current limiting which isn't needed so much for a three brush generator like the original, but isn't harmful to good charging and the cutout. The current rating of the regulator should be about the same as the generator current rating for best generator and generator brush longevity. There are two ways to connect the field, the inside wire either goes to the A post or to ground and each connection takes a different regulator internal circuit. ACs generally have the field connected to the A post so the regulator or external switch connects the field to ground.

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