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    Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 12:15pm
I know somebody will be able to help me on here. I went out yesterday to start my wd 45 to make sure everything was good on it because we are getting a snow storm and i need it to plow. Tryed to start it and nothing. So i took it to orielly auto parts this morning to have them test it and charge it if needed. The guy said it needed charged so he would call me when it was done. About 30 sec after i walk out he calls and said the battery is bad and it had blown up. So my question is when they put it on the load tester and charger does it automatically tell them if it is a 6 volt or 12 volt battery or do they have to manually enter what voltage the battery is? They guy said it was hooked up and info entered properly. The battery was only 8 months old. The guy i bought it off of put a new battery in it when i bought it.

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I have to select 6 or 12 volt on my load tester.  6 volts have 3 caps, 12 have 6.  Me thunks the battery was either frozen when charger was put on, or the guy did not realize it was a 6 volt and put a 12 volt on, high charge.  Batteries can go bad but *I* have never had one blow.  IMHO  During winter, 6 or 12 (I have both in tractors), I take them out and keep them in the garage fully charged.  If  I need one, I put it in and it spins right over, depending on how cold the eng. oil is.  Good luck

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A lot of the employees at O'reilly and other so called auto parts stores probably don't know a 6 volt from a 12 volt although I have been lucky and found a few knowledgeable people working there. Whether they hooked it up wrong or not will be a matter of debate. I had one in a car blow up just from switching the car off and then attempting to restart a few minutes later. Talk with the manager and see if you can work out a deal on a replacement.
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Do yourself a BIG favor and change your tractor to a 12 VOLT system. Especially if you use it in cold weather. I'm sure some folk will disagree with me but as long as it's 6 volt it will never start good. Every single cable ,connection,componet.ect. on a 6 volt system has to be perfect for it to work even close to right. 12 volt is not only stronger but a little more forgiving as far as everything being perfect. If you leave it 6 volt get a battery tender and keep it plugged in at least for the winter. 
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I'm wondering why he sold you a so-called good battery only to have him replace that battery in his own tractor. I'll bet he sold you a bad battery and he knew it. 6 volt systems are a breed of their own. It would be easier to switch to 12 volts and install a generator with regulator or an alternator. If you're going to stick with 6 volts, be prepared to get a 6 volt charger and buy good heavy battery cables. The common cables sold in auto parts stores won't cut it.
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Battery posts on 6 volt systems need to be cleaned twice a year, both posts and connectors. There isn't much tolerance at 6 volts for the voltage drop of a dirty connection, nor in the wires. It takes at least twice the current to crank the engine at 6 volts as it does at 12 volts.

Lots of 6 volt systems depend on protecting the battery from being blasted by charging simply by current limiting in the three brush generator, but depend on the operator to turn the current down when the battery is going into overcharging. When the operator isn't good at that the battery looses water from the electrolyte and if that water isn't replaced and mixed with the remaining acid the battery does go bad.

While it isn't original, a 12 volt alternator (watch for the ground polarity, nearly all alternators are negative ground only) with its internal solid state regulator treats a battery 100 times better than a generator with a magnetic voltage regulator and 10,000 times better than the three brush generator with manual current setting.

With some serious custom work inside a common alternator I'm sure it could be modified for positive ground and 7.100 volts instead of 14.2 volts. The polarity change is probably easier than the voltage change if the internal regulator is waterproofed and circuit details not documented. I haven't tried either. I did build a 6 volt transistor regulator for a 12 volt Beetle engine I put in a 6 volt Beetle and that generator really worked well, as good as an alternator. One of a kind though.

Starter cables at 6 volts need to 0 gauge or bigger, 4 or 6 gauge won't work at all.

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Some battery test equipment and some chargers detect the battery voltage and most do not because 12 volts has been the SAE standard for vehicular electric systems since about 1955 with negative ground being defined as the standard about 1963.

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I doubt the kids at the auto store have even SEEN a 6 volt battery. My guess is there machine is auto set at 12 volts and they NEVER move the selector.
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I have seen batteries that have blown up. In both cases they were being charged and a spark ignited them. When the batteries are being charged and discharged the omit hydrogen gas.
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It takes a big load or overcharging to get the combustible mixture from dissociating the electrolyte.

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Had one blow up in WF, had charger on it for awhile, hit the starter and caboom, gases from a frozen battery and a spark.  I was lucky, about the loudest thing I ever heard and pieces everywhere, broke my glasses and lots of little cuts in my face.  I think in this day it is hard to even find a 6 volt charger, you have to look.
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you should have gone right back in there and checked the charger to see if it was set right for your battery. I too am guessing he put 12 Volts to it and maybe a hard charge!
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Tough to really tell what happened there. There's so many different ways you could damage or even blow up a Battery. I wouldn't even try to guess at that one. What I can say is if you're going to keep the Tractor 6V's, invest in a Battery Tender to keep the Battery "active" so when you need it to plow, its ready to go. The Tender will also add a longer life to the Battery because it is active. My B is still 6V's yet, even after the resto I did on it 17 years ago, but in the cold weather, I remove the Battery and bring it inside and put it back on the Tender. That Battery is 6 years old now and I know for a fact I wouldn't be getting that kinda longevity out of it if it wasn't on the Tender all the time. Super clean connections, and heavy cables are part of keeping the system in tip top shape also... HTH
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