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Mike Kroupa 
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Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 2:33pm |
  , We've a localized power outage , so I thought we should try out the 5015, handles the load fine. Had use the WD first to open the shop door.
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Kurzy
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Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 7:21pm |
Mike, I hate to you this but that AC 5015 is NOT ment for that !! Kurzy
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Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 8:05pm |
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When i put my "C" on our generator i thought it was a little small for the job, but after seeing this i may be wrong. I'm guessing yours is diesel? You probably have just as much or more power than mine. I can run the whole house and the barn lights with mine, but when the water pump kicks on, thats when the Allis sounds nice.
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Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 8:28pm |
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Thats probably a pretty easy on the fuel setup there.
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Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 8:44pm |
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What is the PTO speed of the 5015??
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Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 10:18pm |
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540 pto speed is 2365 eng. rpm's. Hi idle is 2500. The generator is a 15KW and is only powering the farm house. Put in 2.5 gallons of diesel after 4 hrs. of run time , very economical!
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Nathan (SD)
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Posted: 28 Apr 2012 at 1:20am |
House has to be a light load. I have killed our D17 with a 20kw many times.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2012 at 8:57am |
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I have a 25/45 Winpower, looks like the one pictured but larger, My D17 diesel pulled it just fine. Ran the entire dairy farm when we tested it out, even milked and ran the silo unloader at the same time. Turned on every piece of electrical equipment we could think of, the only thing that happened was one generator wheel got real light. LOL When I fed the cows, the governor opened a bit. Worked better than I ever expected.
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Orange Blood
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Posted: 28 Apr 2012 at 9:39am |
HP required for a generator is pretty easy,
1KW = 1.34048257373 HP
So just over a 1 to 1 ratio.
A 15Kw generator will require an ouch over 20HP to run, given no other system losses, however there are always losses to bearings and heat, so a 35 HP tractor should run that think fine. I don't know what the surge rating is for that genny, but I would think that if a D17 was killed by it, then there are other problems, either no correct circuit protection, or the tractor doesn't really have the rated HP it should.
Edited by Orange Blood - 28 Apr 2012 at 11:07pm
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Posted: 28 Apr 2012 at 10:44pm |
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1 HP should equal 746 watts, or 1 HP = .7456 Kw
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Posted: 28 Apr 2012 at 11:06pm |
 ncrc5315 wrote:
1 HP should equal 746 watts, or 1 HP = .7456 Kw |
You are right, I went back to the online Calculator I found, and I noticed I had the two reversed.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2012 at 2:28am |
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Allow 2 HP per KW of generator needed and you typically won't have any issues was the rule of thumb I was told. In the winter we can run the house off a 5KW generator that has a 10HP Tecumseh on it. Natural gas on the water heater, house heat and clothes dryer reduces the load. The pump for the aerobic septic system is the biggest load and makes the governor talk, luckily it only has to run once a day. Other issue is the glow plug ignitor for the oven. I would like a 15KW PTO unit, could run it with the B or the D-15 and would have no issues. D-17 with a 20K should run an entire farm. My brother bought a 15K PTO unit from a neighbor that used it to run his dairy when the power was down, course he had it tied to an 80+ HP Deere.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2012 at 8:38am |
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We have a 55k Marathon, 15hp would have a rough time getting it spinning. It can really load a 65hp tractor with everything running. The surge from starting the silo unloaders (7.5hp motors x2) or vac. pump (9.5hp) will lug the 8030.
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Posted: 29 Apr 2012 at 10:31am |
My 25,000 watt or 25KVA Dayton brand PTO generator will load the WD45 and if I turn on all the AC stuff I have it will not handle it! The operating manual calls for 45 HP at the PTO, but with the surge load I can get out of some of the motors it loads the hell out of the old WD45 if all the stuff is running. Yes it's all wired right too. So I got the 4020LPG to handle it then sold the 4020 and now have a D17 gas to run it and looking at a D19.
My house and shop are all electric, no LPG tank here. That means no lights then no heat!
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D-17_Dave
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Posted: 29 Apr 2012 at 11:44am |
The thing most people miss is that any electric motor takes normally 3 times it's rated amp draw at full load to start the motor. So a 10 amp motor will pull 30+ amps at startup. That's where the surge comes from. Also a 10K generator is capable of producing say 50K of power if the engine driving it has the power to input the needed HP into the rotating assembly to keep it turning fast enough to support power production. The weak point comes in the fact that power production creates heat as wasted byproduct and the rotating group must have enough metal in it to dissapate the heat and live. So a 10K unit will produce 50K for probably 5 minutes or less if enough HP is supplied until the heat melts it. So a surge rating is made for only very temperary use over full load.
All that said, the 2HP per K rating is near a perfect ratio to work off of a continuous load. BUT, the most important thing is not maintaining voltage. The regulator in any decent generator will work towards maintaining the proper voltage at most any load. This constantly varies. The critical thing is cycles. This is completely controlled by the RPM of the rotating group. If you don't have enough HP to maintain near perfect RPM's then you cause undue load on anything your trying to run. It's easy to overload motors and the amp load will spike uncontrolably if the cycles drop even a small amount. When I set up a generator I normally set the rpm's to maintain 60.5-61 cycles. So when load is applied this won't drop more than about .5 cycles. I never want it to drop below 60 under load. Plus todays electronis like computers and TV's won't like any dirty power.
Tractor driven power plants are an easy way to gain power under outage conditions while not having to maintain another engine. But, unless you have a good digital meter to set your tractor's rpm's and varify voltage I'd never hook my house up to one. I've worked on hundreds of generators and any problems inside a house have always come from over or under input speeds. Also regearing the drive to lower engine rpm's to conserve fuel is a waste as the engine govn. can't respong to varying load conditions properly.
I hope all this helps explain why power production isn't just plug up and crank up.
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