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Orange4ever
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Topic: 433i motorPosted: 05 Jul 2016 at 7:03pm |
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We are getting ready to put a 433i motor in my 73 ford f-350 super camper special truck. How much horsepower do you think we could build this to? Here's what we are thinking of doing right now. We have to build a new exhaust manifold, twin turbos, air to air cooler in front of the radiator, increased pump and injectors. We are hoping to stay in the 2800 rpm range. Seconded design, one turbo instead of two. Any ideas or help would be appreciated. Thanks, tom.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 8:15pm |
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I had a 74 F350 super camper special W/ 460 automatic 10 mpg loaded trailer or empty. I don't think the 433 will have the power the 460 had. Was one tough truck !
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DougG
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 8:18pm |
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I kno some A.C. mechanics that hauled around a 6080 when they came out and just used it for tractor pulling, they said 150 hp was all they could get, and they tried everything,, that's good for that little engine
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DrAllis
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Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 9:45pm |
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A stock 433-I was rated at 100 flywheel HP @ 2400 RPM and had 245 ft lbs of torque @ 1600 RPM. The HP number is kind of bogus. It's TORQUE that gets you down the road. I'd think you'd be better off with 400 ft lbs torque @ 1600 RPM and 150 or 160 HP @ 2400 RPM's. A 2004 F-150 5.4 Triton 3-valve engine has 365 ft lbs @ probably 2400 RPM and 300 HP @ 4500 RPM. I find it interesting you're doing the installation of this 200 cube 4-banger without much of a plan ??
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Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 9:19am |
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I like what your doing here but personally i feel like you wont have enough motor. If this was an F100 to cruise in it would be neat, but i feel like the 350 with camper is gonna be a dog with the 433I. would be like like putting a 4bt cummins in it, most guys doing 4bt swaps are going into small pickups and jeeps etc not full size trucks.
best of luck to you
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TREVMAN
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Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 11:26am |
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I think you would want two 433's in a truck that size. Not trying to rain on your parade, but I think you would be a lot happier with a 301. Good luck, Trev.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 11:38am |
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Just looked up some specs on the 4BT Cummins.......239 cubes (a plus) 105 HP @2300 RPM and 265 ft lbs torque @ 1600 RPM. Lighter weight with the bored block design. If I was going to twin-turbo that A-C engine, I'd probably start with a 7060 turbo on top of the standard turbo. That should allow quicker spool ups. No need to twin-turbo it unless there's a lot more fuel.
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Orange4ever
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Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 4:08pm |
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We have many options to put in this truck. We're wanting to put this motor in, this motor has two exaust ports, we intend to put one turbo on each port. We are not going to run down the hwy doing 90 pulling 40,000 pounds. Were are going to use it here around the farm and take it to a few tractor shows. Dad at one time put a 3208 in a 78' ford 3/4 ton. The front end fell out from underneath it because of the weight. At 5000 miles Twisted the drive shaft the seconded day, and the rear end lasted a month. But had more power then drive train. And not enough breaks We have 6bt. Cummins. 6.4 Isuzu 298 Hercules 4-71 6.9 ford 1160 cat. 3208 cat na and T We intend on putting this Motor in 301 Allis too heavy compared to a 6bt
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DrAllis
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Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 4:16pm |
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Twin-turbos in a staged fashion will actually work. One turbo on each exhaust port will be a turd.
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Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 8:44pm |
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Since your putting it in a ford you won't be disappointed.....
Now if you were putting it in a Chevy you might be disappointed . SamTGa did this years ago, put a truck camper on it and took the family to California and back, avg. like 25mpg. If l remember it. PM him on here. He knows all the things you need to do as far as flywheel, and what tranny your matching it to. Nice guy, old AC rep.
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Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 9:59pm |
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If I were going to do this, I would send the pump to Ed, the cam/lifters to a reputable grinder who understands what you are doing, stick with the single turbo, add the air to air along with the liquid intercooler with a separate radiator for the intercooler coolant before it enters the intercooler- add or stack a second intercooler, use a lighter automotive flywheel, make sure the thrust brg is of the last type and matches the crank, I would probably leave out the balancer if you can use rubber engine mounts, and add a water injection triggered at 20 psi of boost running 50/50 water alcohol. I am sure others will have ideas as well. Adding a staged turbo here will get tricky for driving and low rpm torque but will be great on the road. The issue is for example adding a TO4 or larger TO3 after the OEM will put so much pressure on the little turbo it will pop the staft on the oem turbo - the oem would develop close to 30psi on a 'turned up ' F3 anyway - and we did pop some shafts.... the reason for the intercoolers and water is the air at 30 psi is HOT... |
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 9:56pm |
[QUOTE=Orange4ever] We have many options to put in this truck. We're wanting to put this motor in, this motor has two exaust ports, we intend to put one turbo on each port. We are not going to run down the hwy doing 90 pulling 40,000 pounds. Were are going to use it here around the farm and take it to a few tractor shows. Dad at one time put a 3208 in a 78' ford 3/4 ton. The front end fell out from underneath it because of the weight. At 5000 miles Twisted the drive shaft the seconded day, and the rear end lasted a month. But had more power then drive train. And not enough breaks We have 6bt. Cummins. 6.4 Isuzu 298 Hercules 4-71 6.9 ford 1160 cat. 3208 cat na and T We intend on putting this Motor in 301 Allis too heavy compared to a 6bt[/QUOTE Interesting post. Sounds like a fun engine swap with all your choices. Just curious - a cummins 6bt weighs approximately 1100lbs dry. 4bt weighs 745-800 lbs dry. I've always dreamed of the AC 433I, 649I, or 670I swap into pickups. I did a 6bt swap in 00' F350 6ZF 4:10 & love it. Stock 6bt torque is 400-440lbs-ft @ 1600rpm, Stock 4bt torque is 265-325lbs-ft @ 1700rpm, What is weights & torque values for AC433I & AC649I engines? I see earlier post of 245lbs-ft for 433I. |
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DrAllis
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 10:05pm |
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A-C 649-TI (301 turbo/intercooled) basic engine weighs 1,025 lbs and has 390 ft lbs @ 1700 RPM and 155 flywheel HP @ 2600 RPM. 433-TI weighs 810 lbs.
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Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 10:32pm |
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I am reminded of the old days when guys put Chevy, Cadillac or Olds V8's into small cars. It didn't take long for the suspensions and even bodies to fall apart. There's a lot more than first meets the eye when installing an engine with a lot more torque, hp, and weight than the original engine. |
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lowell
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Posted: 22 Sep 2016 at 9:00pm |
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did you do anything with it
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Orange4ever
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Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 3:59pm |
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Dad's be working 710s so we've not been able to work too much on it but this is what we know so far we're going to change the injectors slightly change the pump slightly and right now we're working on transmission a looking at a ZF8HP automatic we're still trying to get everything resolved to fit and get all the hardware to work together we're hoping to run the motor at a specific RPM and let the transmission do most the work and keep the motor in a 400 RPM 1900 to 2300 3.73 rear end 33 " tires
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Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 6:13pm |
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that is good you guys are still doing the job
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Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 8:02pm |
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do you have any pic of it thanks
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