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    Posted: 04 Mar 2019 at 8:23pm
I googled this subject and did not come up with much info  pertaining to orange,  so I'll start a thread. 

 Manual states,  main bearing-to-journal clearance  : .0016"-.0043"

If  a 301/649 powered AC tractor is pulling in  a 3000 rpm Hot Farm  class. What  do the  sled pulling  members on here recomended  for clearance when assembling a engine ? .002" ,.003" +- ?


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We have been around the .002 I would think for a higher rpm application you would want more
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Beirnesy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 2019 at 4:55pm
There is some good videos from Mahle on youtube,  about this subject but  not directly  related  to sled pullers. 

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The dial bore gauge shows .0025 oil clearance between bearing and crankshaft journal. Should I go with that?  I should add this measurement  is with -.020"  bearings and freshly balanced and reground  -.020"crankshaft
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That will work fine. Use 15W-40 motor oil and nothing any thicker.
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Thanks for the reassurance fellows, BTW I'm having my 19 year old son help with this engine project. Trying to make him a bit of a gearhead aswell. 
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If you are using a D-2900 block and you have decided to remove the engine oil cooler and its large external oil lines, you MUST also remove the spring and plunger from the rear oil crossover passage in the block. You will have near ZERO oil pressure if you don't remove those parts and ruin your new engine.
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Thanks DR Allis,  I have done what you have mentioned,  it is good of you to put that information out there to help other AC enthusiast aswell.  
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Looser clearances free up power, but don't go too far. Ive read for every inch of journal use at least .001 clearance , you are good.
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Dr Allis, can you elaborate on spring removal?

Thanks in advance.
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On a D-2800 (non-turbo) engine, oil flow from the engine oil filter goes thru passages inside the block to get the oil from the left side of the block to the right side main oil galley. The passage in question is the rear crossover passage connecting the filter to the right side of the block. On a D-2900 (turbo with oil cooler) they have inserted a plunger and spring inside this rear crossover passage to BLOCK oil flow thru the block and force the oil out thru an elbow at the left rear corner behind the oil filter and then thru external steel tubing around the block to the oil cooler on the right side of the engine. After oil goes thru the cooler it then enters the main oil galley providing oil to the engine bearings. Removal of the oil cooler and external lines WITHOUT removing the plunger and spring inside the block results in catastrophic engine failure !!!  Also, removing the oil cooler requires changing the water pump volute to provide proper water flow thru the front of the engine block.
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Thanks Dr Allis,

So if you remove the spring and plunger, you dont need to use the external oil line? Just plug the two block ports?
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I should explain, when I removed the cooler, I ran a pressure hose from from brass 90, directly to other side of block.
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Correct. Remove spring and plunger and no external line/hose is needed.
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You noticed my mention of a different water pump volute too.....??
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I did, and honestly dont know what your talking about there.
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The water pump attaches to the volute. The volute bolts to the engine block. If you have removed the engine oil cooler and are still using the old volute, I think your coolant flow into the engine block is very low because the volute doesn't have a large hole in it to match the hole in the engine block. Get a volute from a non-turbo engine or open up the small hole to increase coolant flow.
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Got it. Thank you!
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