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Navyrunfm ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2019 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 14 |
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Anyone have opinion on number of bottoms and size moldboards be good fit for a 210 ?
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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From what I recall, 6-18 might be a "cake-walk" with it depending on soil type :-)
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8570 |
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Lot of variables. Stock hp or turned up? Soil type for sure. My 220 (170hp) pulled neighbors 720 IH 6-16 on land plow well in 5th but clay spots gave it all it wanted. 4th would make it easier.
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Navyrunfm ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2019 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 14 |
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Stock hp, and I'm in pa on hilly ground (not really steep hills but rolling knolls) pure gravel ground
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Navyrunfm ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2019 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 14 |
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Also while I'm asking bout power for implements, planning to buy new holland 2 row chopper (always been around new Hollands and had good luck) wondering wat number chopper would fit this tractor well.
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DanWi ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1912 |
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Older NH choppers would be 892 or a 900 And plow would be either 5 16s or 18s.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21732 |
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Allis-Chalmers rated the D-21 S2 at 7 bottoms and 18 inch bottoms didn't exist at that time. The 220 was rated at 8 bottoms. So, you decide. The 210 was only 5 less HP than a D-21 S2. I have literature for the 210 and AC never gave it a plow bottom rating. The 220 @ 135 HP with 8 bottoms is 16.9 HP per bottom. 16.9 HP per bottom x 7 bottoms is 118 HP and a 210 was 122 HP. Your results may vary.
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Brian F(IL) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paxton, IL Points: 2710 |
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When my Dad and Uncle sold them, the Two-Tens and Two-Twentys were usually sold with 6-16" plows. I think they were #2000 Mono-frame plows. Not entirely sure about the plow number.
But, our customer base had a wide range of soil types. From easy plowing sandy loams to hard-pan clay.
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injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5088 |
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Back in those days, they always over sold plow size in my opinion. They weighted them down and cranked up the fuel just so they could pull them. I always like pulling smaller implements faster, it's so much easier on parts. I just cringe when I think of pulling the guts out of a tractor all day long lol! To me a great match for a stock or even tuned up D21/210/220 is a 5 bottom, either 16 or 18". I've got vids from pulling my IH 540 or 550 5X16 plow with my 210 when it was making about 400hp. That was a lot of fun! Again, just my opinion, it's worth just what you paid for it lmfao!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12132 |
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I’m with Ed. 5-16’s will be a good match. You can go in a faster gear when you can, have something in reserve when you need it, shift down when you really need it. And cover the whole field instead of leaving behind problem areas. At the end of the day have as much or more done and take it easier on things.
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DCAC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Oct 2018 Location: east central SD Points: 511 |
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It would be fun to see those videos, Ed...
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8309 |
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Id put a 5-16 plow behind it , no reason to pull the guts out out it, espesally with the profit margin
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JimWenigOH ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NC Ohio Points: 1183 |
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I'd buy my 2000 Series, 6 x 16 plow that I sent you a PM about this morning, hook it up to your 210, take some photos to share with all of us here on the Forum, back it in the barn and then go no-till.
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bleeds orange ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2012 Location: mt. vision, ny Points: 692 |
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Lol your not a very good salesman jim.
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Navyrunfm ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 2019 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 14 |
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Thank you very much everyone for replies. Appreciate it! Lol like the no till comment. I can count on one hand number of guys in my county still moldboarding. It's lost thing. I'm just hobbying on dad's old farm on the side and wanna have some fun working the old tractor and just do things old school to get my neighbors talkin. Plus if it's a hobby I'm just throwin money away so why not have fun doin it and turn some dirt and blow some smoke lol
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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WOW!!, We pulled a 5/16 White plow 7" deep in pretty heavy clay with a stock XT 190 Diesel with minimal issues until the "1" clay knoll that would have the front end 8-12" off the ground. Surprised that you think a 210 is in the same category?? I will look into the tractor data site tonight for comparisons ?? |
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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XT-8000#'s (on the heavy side) and 80 drawbar HP; 210-12,500#'s(on the light side) and105 draw bar HP
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Amos ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Points: 1318 |
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8-16 monoframe on land hitch dual 18.4 x 38 5th gear in cornstalks 4th gear in alfalfa, carries front wheels in alfalfa. You don't want to go fast with those plows they do a terrible job over 4.5 mph. Sandly loam soil. Did that all through the 1970s and early 1980s...every year
6-16 in furrow with my 200, when i plow up alfalfa now
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21732 |
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Moldboard plowing is/was generally a pretty slow speed operation. A-C plow bottoms weren't "high-speed" bottoms and did their best under 4.5 MPH actual speed. If you think about a mighty One-Ninety XT or 200 in high second (4th speed) that was just 5 MPH @ full throttle no load. Add at least 10% wheel slippage (or more in most cases) and an engine getting pulled down some, and your actual speed was closer to 4 MPH max. Trying to pull those plows faster than that exponentially takes MORE HP !! because of the curvature of the moldboards. I love those who brag about plowing with a WD45 in 3rd gear !! The only way that could ever happen where I grew up was with 14 inch bottoms, no more than 5 inches deep in soybean stubble, not alfalfa sod !! Those who claim to do that would be embarrassed to come to our farm and see how third gear (with a STOCK WD45 mind you) isn't even a possibility. Same goes for the bigger diesel tractors.
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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To those "in-the-know", where does the extra 4000 #'s come from between an XT 190 and a 210? My findings previously came from Tractor Data specs.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21732 |
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D-21's, 210's and 220's are "big frame" tractors and are over 100 PTO and drawbar HP and were category #3 three-point hitches. A 190XT came from the D-19, which is a much smaller and lighter tractor chassis with a category #2 three-point hitch.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8570 |
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If you had the 2 side by side you'd see it. A 190 looks like a toy against my 220. Bigger housings,bigger everything.
Edited by SteveM C/IL - 14 Mar 2020 at 8:57pm |
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DanWi ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1912 |
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Dr is right we have those kind of soils around we had to have the fronts filled with fluid and extra weights. Good plow shares to even get the plow in the ground sometimes. This is on sod ground or ground that was packed chopping corn silage. Alot of those problems were worst years ago when ground was tilled and we destroyed organic matter. Now we notill or minimum till. So if you have tough soils why pull the guts out of a 50 year old tractor unless you are just plowing a few acres for fun and want to see what it will do. Around here a 4 16 or 18 is a good fit behind a 190 or 200. I agree there is ground where you can add 2 bottoms to my recommendations all you need is traction.
Edited by DanWi - 15 Mar 2020 at 10:02pm |
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soggybottomboy ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() Joined: 20 Feb 2018 Location: Iowa Points: 216 |
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You need a fwa tractor to pull anything bigger than 6/16s imho.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21732 |
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We always pulled 6 x 16's on-land 3000 series AC plow with 7030/7050 and no front wheel drive. Could have easily pulled 7 bottoms but we didn't plow all that many acres at that time in history.
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DCAC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Oct 2018 Location: east central SD Points: 511 |
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We had a 210 and a 3000 series 7-16's, on land hitch. I don't remember if the tractor was turned up or not, did have two donut weights on each side, but not sure about fluid in the tires. Tractor is gone, but still have the plow, need the front and rear axle boot for it, and it would be a decent usable plow again.
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Butch(OH) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lucerne Ohio Points: 3837 |
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Our 220 played with a 6 bottom 9000 plow. I have forgotten how to make a video open here but here is a YouTube link of it throttled back in 5th following the D19
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injpumpEd ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5088 |
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I just found 2 of them when went to you tube to watch Butchoh vids. Just put allis 210 plowing in search bar, and 2 of my old vids came up lol!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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only AC orange ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 2014 Location: Eastern Indiana Points: 513 |
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Pulling a 6 X 16 9000 series on land with series II D-21, 4th gear, 8" deep. Hard clay and black jackwax soil. Will carry front end in compacted soil - 2 donut weights and 24.5's half full of fluid and front donut weights from "F" combine.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12132 |
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Nice. I always liked plowing, and I still plow some. Maybe that soil is a whole lot harder than it looks, but to me, I see flat ground, corn ground, that was probably tilled the year prior......It should plow like that! Now, go uphill a clay knoll, nice 5 year stand of alfalfa, when it's good and dry and hot, and that clay comes off in slices......So many variables..... A plow isn't a plow, land isn't land, conditions aren't a set of conditions, a tire isn't a tire, and even a tractor isn't a tractor. I say, start "small" with a plow, and if after a lot of experience on all of your conditions it goes super easy, go ahead and size up. And then on a wet year or tough year, you have a smaller plow you can go to.
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