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soggybottomboy
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Topic: 210 ac plow sizePosted: 20 Mar 2020 at 10:19am |
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Sorry for the late post. I remember going to a farm progress show back when they still did moldboard plowing. A-C was pulling 6/18s with a7030 and 7/18s with a 7050. They were plowing deeper than any of the others, probably 10 or 11 inches deep. It had rained a tenth or so during the night, and the slippage on 7050 was at least 50%. The 7030, not so bad. Wish they still did that. If you are just plowing a small acreage for the fun, get a big plow. that would be a thrill to do again. But when you start to have substantial wheel slip,you might not think it makes much difference. It makes a huge difference. A person starts to realize how much it slows things down when you plow 80 or 160 acres. I still own an international 735 6 bottom variwidth moldboard plow. it is adjustable to cut from 14 to 22 inches. I pulled it with my 8050 fwa. In our soil, having the plow set on 18" was about right if you wanted to go in 4th low range and still have a little power reserved for going up a hill that was not to steep. Having the plow set to 22" was a full load on the level in 4th. Always ran in 3rd with it set on 22". The fwa really helped then. Don't do any plowing anymore, but i just can't bear to part with those pieces of machinery.
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R Albart
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Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 11:45am |
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A C Plow parts, contact Dave the plow man.
mailto:dave%40davetheplowman.com |
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 7:58pm |
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???? Never put a connection to a 210 tractor and a 7000 series plow up for sale ??!! Is it you or your kids plow for sale ?
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 7:49pm |
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It's a natural progression. Are you that sensitive?
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 7:37pm |
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How did this post turn into a classified ad ??
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R Albart
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Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 5:35pm |
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We have three Allis-Chalmers 9000 plows F S.
Two 6 bottoms on-land/furrow hitch, field ready. One 7 bottom on-land/furrow hitch restored. Ron Albart 314-520-4248
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DCAC
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Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 8:30am |
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The front and rear 'axle boots', the castings that the front and rear wheels pivot in. And the disc for the furrow wheel brake.
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R Albart
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Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 8:17am |
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What Plow parts are you looking for?
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DCAC
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Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 9:56pm |
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Do you have any parts for a 3000 monoframe for sale?
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R Albart
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Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 9:27pm |
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We have three Allis-Chalmers 9000 plows FS.
Two 6 bottoms on-land/furrow field ready. One 7 bottom on-land/furrow restored. Ron Albart 314-520-4248 |
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NEVER green
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Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 1:35pm |
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On our black gumbo 5-18s were max for 7060-8050. |
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2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50
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Tbone95
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Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 1:04pm |
Nice. I always liked plowing, and I still plow some. Maybe that soil is a whole lot harder than it looks, but to me, I see flat ground, corn ground, that was probably tilled the year prior......It should plow like that! Now, go uphill a clay knoll, nice 5 year stand of alfalfa, when it's good and dry and hot, and that clay comes off in slices......So many variables..... A plow isn't a plow, land isn't land, conditions aren't a set of conditions, a tire isn't a tire, and even a tractor isn't a tractor. I say, start "small" with a plow, and if after a lot of experience on all of your conditions it goes super easy, go ahead and size up. And then on a wet year or tough year, you have a smaller plow you can go to.
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Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 11:44am |
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Pulling a 6 X 16 9000 series on land with series II D-21, 4th gear, 8" deep. Hard clay and black jackwax soil. Will carry front end in compacted soil - 2 donut weights and 24.5's half full of fluid and front donut weights from "F" combine.
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Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 11:43am |
I just found 2 of them when went to you tube to watch Butchoh vids. Just put allis 210 plowing in search bar, and 2 of my old vids came up lol!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Butch(OH)
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Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 11:15am |
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Our 220 played with a 6 bottom 9000 plow. I have forgotten how to make a video open here but here is a YouTube link of it throttled back in 5th following the D19
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Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 8:22am |
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We had a 210 and a 3000 series 7-16's, on land hitch. I don't remember if the tractor was turned up or not, did have two donut weights on each side, but not sure about fluid in the tires. Tractor is gone, but still have the plow, need the front and rear axle boot for it, and it would be a decent usable plow again.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 7:15am |
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We always pulled 6 x 16's on-land 3000 series AC plow with 7030/7050 and no front wheel drive. Could have easily pulled 7 bottoms but we didn't plow all that many acres at that time in history.
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soggybottomboy
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Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 11:53pm |
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You need a fwa tractor to pull anything bigger than 6/16s imho.
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DanWi
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Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 10:00pm |
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Dr is right we have those kind of soils around we had to have the fronts filled with fluid and extra weights. Good plow shares to even get the plow in the ground sometimes. This is on sod ground or ground that was packed chopping corn silage. Alot of those problems were worst years ago when ground was tilled and we destroyed organic matter. Now we notill or minimum till. So if you have tough soils why pull the guts out of a 50 year old tractor unless you are just plowing a few acres for fun and want to see what it will do. Around here a 4 16 or 18 is a good fit behind a 190 or 200. I agree there is ground where you can add 2 bottoms to my recommendations all you need is traction.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 8:56pm |
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If you had the 2 side by side you'd see it. A 190 looks like a toy against my 220. Bigger housings,bigger everything.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 8:52pm |
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D-21's, 210's and 220's are "big frame" tractors and are over 100 PTO and drawbar HP and were category #3 three-point hitches. A 190XT came from the D-19, which is a much smaller and lighter tractor chassis with a category #2 three-point hitch.
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 8:40pm |
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To those "in-the-know", where does the extra 4000 #'s come from between an XT 190 and a 210? My findings previously came from Tractor Data specs.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 8:31pm |
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Moldboard plowing is/was generally a pretty slow speed operation. A-C plow bottoms weren't "high-speed" bottoms and did their best under 4.5 MPH actual speed. If you think about a mighty One-Ninety XT or 200 in high second (4th speed) that was just 5 MPH @ full throttle no load. Add at least 10% wheel slippage (or more in most cases) and an engine getting pulled down some, and your actual speed was closer to 4 MPH max. Trying to pull those plows faster than that exponentially takes MORE HP !! because of the curvature of the moldboards. I love those who brag about plowing with a WD45 in 3rd gear !! The only way that could ever happen where I grew up was with 14 inch bottoms, no more than 5 inches deep in soybean stubble, not alfalfa sod !! Those who claim to do that would be embarrassed to come to our farm and see how third gear (with a STOCK WD45 mind you) isn't even a possibility. Same goes for the bigger diesel tractors.
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Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 7:43pm |
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8-16 monoframe on land hitch dual 18.4 x 38 5th gear in cornstalks 4th gear in alfalfa, carries front wheels in alfalfa. You don't want to go fast with those plows they do a terrible job over 4.5 mph. Sandly loam soil. Did that all through the 1970s and early 1980s...every year
6-16 in furrow with my 200, when i plow up alfalfa now
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 7:26pm |
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XT-8000#'s (on the heavy side) and 80 drawbar HP; 210-12,500#'s(on the light side) and105 draw bar HP
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Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 6:48pm |
WOW!!, We pulled a 5/16 White plow 7" deep in pretty heavy clay with a stock XT 190 Diesel with minimal issues until the "1" clay knoll that would have the front end 8-12" off the ground. Surprised that you think a 210 is in the same category?? I will look into the tractor data site tonight for comparisons ?? |
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Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 5:30pm |
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Thank you very much everyone for replies. Appreciate it! Lol like the no till comment. I can count on one hand number of guys in my county still moldboarding. It's lost thing. I'm just hobbying on dad's old farm on the side and wanna have some fun working the old tractor and just do things old school to get my neighbors talkin. Plus if it's a hobby I'm just throwin money away so why not have fun doin it and turn some dirt and blow some smoke lol
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Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 5:10pm |
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Lol your not a very good salesman jim.
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JimWenigOH
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Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 4:51pm |
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I'd buy my 2000 Series, 6 x 16 plow that I sent you a PM about this morning, hook it up to your 210, take some photos to share with all of us here on the Forum, back it in the barn and then go no-till.
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Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 3:27pm |
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Id put a 5-16 plow behind it , no reason to pull the guts out out it, espesally with the profit margin
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