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   Here are two governors I got in a box of parts. Looks like two different styles. The one on the right is locked up and maybe has parts missing?

I guess I'm just wondering if one is better than the other, or is one prone to flying apart? I've read stories of governors coming apart and going through the gear train. Once I know which one to use, then we will get into wear parts and rebuilding tips....

Thanks in advance.

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littlemarv Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Jun 2013 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1834	Post Options Post Reply Quote littlemarv Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 201 governor Posted: 09 Nov 2015 at 8:45pm
	Here are two governors I got in a box of parts. Looks like two different styles. The one on the right is locked up and maybe has parts missing? I guess I'm just wondering if one is better than the other, or is one prone to flying apart? I've read stories of governors coming apart and going through the gear train. Once I know which one to use, then we will get into wear parts and rebuilding tips.... Thanks in advance.
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Alex09(WI) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 15 Mar 2012 Location: CECIL WI Points: 1751	Post Options Post Reply Quote Alex09(WI) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Nov 2015 at 9:40pm
	The governor on the right was the later version used on WD's. The left one was used on early WC tractors. The one on the right is missing the thrust bearing on the small shaft. My opinion would be to use the newer version one on the right, seems to have less small parts that could fly off.
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littlemarv Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Jun 2013 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1834	Post Options Post Reply Quote littlemarv Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Nov 2015 at 8:35pm
	Worked on the governor on the right tonight. Put some homebrew penetrating oil in the oil hole for the shaft, let it soak awhile. Just a touch with a pipe wrench and it started turning. Once I got it freed up, the shaft pulls in and out of the housing about 1/16". I'm assuming this shaft is on bushings, not bearings. Whats this hole for? Found this thrust bearing in my bucket O' goodies. Sure looks like the right part. The whole bearing is one piece save for the surface I am pointing to. Flushed out the bearing with brakeclean, then put a little motor oil in there. It feels smooth, although it seems like you can hear the balls rattling around in there, like there is room for one or two more balls in there. How is this bearing lubricated? Seems it should have a steady supply of oil, because isn't it always turning? So here it is all assembled, I think. Just need the pin out of the other one, I assume it is a locating pin to accurately place the governor assembly when you bolt it to the block. The pads on the flyweights don't show much wear, but they shouldn't, as they turn with the thrust bearing. As far as the pins and holes in the weights themselves go, they seem to be a little more worn on the ends with the pads on them, but not a lot. I'm assuming the spring that belongs here is what actually keeps the flyweights in? So is that all there is to it? I don't see any reason to take it apart, just going to steam clean it out, work some oil through the bushings, and put it on the shelf till I need it. Any advice appreciated. Thanks for looking!
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DaveKamp Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6072	Post Options Post Reply Quote DaveKamp Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Nov 2015 at 3:25pm
	As you can see- they're extremely simple. I'm no expert on these, but I'll tell you what I know: Differences... the WC's flyweight system is a little more complex, but does the same thing as the latter (and more simplified) WD and WD-45. Governed speed: 1938 WC 1300rpm 1948 WD 1400rpm 1953 WD45 1400rpm 1957 D17 1650 1968 170 1800 I don't know if the weights or spring rates changed to make the RPM increase. I do know that governor weight failures aren't nonexistant, and I believe the failure most often occurs at the pivot pin areas of the weights. There are also other versions of governors used, particularly of note is the governor used in the Gleaner E and similiar applications, the governor's concept is not 'variable'... it's set up to be used on a narrow RPM band, not manual set on anything other than 'go' and half-idle or so. Those types of governors I've seen were all painted grey, but I won't suggest that they all are... Edited by DaveKamp - 16 Nov 2015 at 3:25pm
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Tim NH Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Location: Lancaster NH Points: 1125	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tim NH Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Nov 2015 at 4:30pm
	The long shaft on the left have two bushings inside, one at each end. Check the shaft for side to side play. I had to replace both mine. There is also a seal for the shaft on the right side. That bearing does have a rattle to it. I put a red stripe spring on mine. Sandy Lake is closet to me, that's where my parts came from. Tim
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CTuckerNWIL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22825	Post Options Post Reply Quote CTuckerNWIL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Nov 2015 at 5:46pm
	It's kinda hard to tell without taking them apart, but if there is any wear in the pins or the hole in the weight that the pin goes thru, replace the weights and pins. It's a whole lot cheaper and easier to do it now, than when the weight comes apart and goes down thru the crankshaft and cam gears.
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