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Originally posted by Joe(OH) Joe(OH) wrote:

I farm and raise corn and soybeans.  But I don't understand why that means that we should support inferior fuel.  If we need to burn our crop to increase prices maybe the American farmer, myself included, needs to learn to diversify our crop production.   Saying that we need to create bio diesel from soybeans to create a demand because of over production just doesn't make sense to me.  "This is an easy one, economically. Biodiesel is very expensive, relative to petroleum diesel," says Scott Irwin, an economist at the University of Illinois, who follows biofuel markets closely. He calculates that the extra cost for biodiesel comes to about $1.80 per gallon right now, meaning that the biofuel law is costing Americans about $5.4 billion a year.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/01/16/577649838/turning-soybeans-into-diesel-fuel-is-costing-us-billions
  As far as ethanol gas goes I have not had a good experience with ethanol.  If ethanol is so great why isn't it used in aviation?  And to top it off ethanol is not cost effect to create without the government propping it up. http://www.organicconsumers.org/scientific/70-percent-more-energy-required-make-ethanol-actually-ethanol-cornell
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Seems to me ,if it can't make it on own,it shouldn't make it....any product!!
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You oughta see my new all-electric tractor! Well actually it's for my twin grandsons lol... they're only 5. But Gramps is teaching them to love the old ways. Maybe at least 2 kids won't grow up filled with BS. Hey, I can hope!
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Seems to me ,if it can't make it on own,it shouldn't make it....any product!!

The next thing you know, we'll be talking about ending farm subsidies/price supports... 
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Originally posted by HoughMade HoughMade wrote:

Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Seems to me ,if it can't make it on own,it shouldn't make it....any product!!


The next thing you know, we'll be talking about ending farm
subsidies/price supports... 

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Originally posted by HoughMade HoughMade wrote:

Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Seems to me ,if it can't make it on own,it shouldn't make it....any product!!

The next thing you know, we'll be talking about ending farm subsidies/price supports... 
Those aren't for the Farmer. They're for the processors. Believe it.
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Originally posted by HoughMade HoughMade wrote:

Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Seems to me ,if it can't make it on own,it shouldn't make it....any product!!

The next thing you know, we'll be talking about ending farm subsidies/price supports... 

We should be.... Find a niche market and run with it. Why would you want to be in a market that doesn't make money? Either your income is to low or your expenses are too high. That's for you to figure out!!
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At any rate it sounds like heating oil doesn't have enough additives to be safe so I guess I'll look at getting a tank on a trailer and haul it from Iowa since Iowa fuel distributors can't legally deliver it to me or so I'm told.
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Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

At any rate it sounds like heating oil doesn't have enough additives to be safe so I guess I'll look at getting a tank on a trailer and haul it from Iowa since Iowa fuel distributors can't legally deliver it to me or so I'm told.
You'll love this but there are DOT regs on just how big your transport tank can be and Ag is not exempt.
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Originally posted by exSW exSW wrote:

Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

At any rate it sounds like heating oil doesn't have enough additives to be safe so I guess I'll look at getting a tank on a trailer and haul it from Iowa since Iowa fuel distributors can't legally deliver it to me or so I'm told.
You'll love this but there are DOT regs on just how big your transport tank can be and Ag is not exempt.
So.....back in the 70's and 80's, when dad would put a 250 gallon tank of gasoline in the back of the pickup to go on his snowmobiling camp out trip, aaaannnnd drip feed it into the truck gas tank.......that was probably illegal, huh?  He had a snowmobile wedged in there too, and of course pulling the camp trailer.  Never got "caught".
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Originally posted by exSW exSW wrote:

Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

At any rate it sounds like heating oil doesn't have enough additives to be safe so I guess I'll look at getting a tank on a trailer and haul it from Iowa since Iowa fuel distributors can't legally deliver it to me or so I'm told.
You'll love this but there are DOT regs on just how big your transport tank can be and Ag is not exempt.
As far as I know ag is exempt up to 1000 gallons. Recent change but custom harvesters got it changed. It was something much lower before.
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Lonn, Russia is a long way from Iowa. Wink
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Ross you got it, them subsidies are to fuel all the overpaid middle do nothing but tack on cost guys. IMAO

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Lonn, Russia is a long way from Iowa. Wink
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I suppose now that the Russia fiasco has been thoroughly debunked by most sane people, I could change my given location back to Minnesota...................... It's a long flight though and my arms get tired faster than they used to. Wink
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Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

Originally posted by exSW exSW wrote:

Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

At any rate it sounds like heating oil doesn't have enough additives to be safe so I guess I'll look at getting a tank on a trailer and haul it from Iowa since Iowa fuel distributors can't legally deliver it to me or so I'm told.
You'll love this but there are DOT regs on just how big your transport tank can be and Ag is not exempt.
As far as I know ag is exempt up to 1000 gallons. Recent change but custom harvesters got it changed. It was something much lower before.
That is news to me . I think it used to be 145. Since i live four miles from much cheaper Ohio i may have to investigate this further.
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115 for Gas, 119 for Diesel, still in effect as these are the limiters:

https://www.agriculture.com/machinery/harvesting/what-you-need-to-know-about-transporting-diesel

Found the Why on different gallons, fuel weight,

https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/nrcs144p2_043004.pdf

If Over 115 gal Gas or 119 gal Diesel have to have placards and if the machine is placarded then also requires HAZMAT license to haul. EVEN if your Own, that from a bud that does this for a living.
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I read your first link and as I read it a farmer is exempt up to 1000 gal so no HAZMAT sticker and no special license up to 150 mile radius from home farm.
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On hauling fuel, for placarding the hazmat quantity is 1000 pounds. If you are hauling 1000 pounds or less of fuel (doesn't specify jet fuel, diesel, gas, etc.) you don't need any hazmat placards for it.  If you go over 1000 pounds then you need all the DOT hazmat requirements.  Had a local guy that owned 3 gas stations and would have all the fuel delivered into one and then he would use an enclosed trailer with tanks inside to pump it out of the one station and haul the fuel to another.  He got busted by the DOT and is out of business now.

As for the lubrication of the fuel oil, here is a link to a site I found to let you know what you can add for best lubrication gains.  Fuel oil would probably be the same as the no additive diesel for my best guess for base lubrication since it is for a furnace.
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From Minnesota DOT..... For some reason I was unable to change to a larger font on what I copied and pasted.
Fueling Tanks Transporting Diesel FuelBulk Fueling Tanks (Cargo Tanks) - Diesel FuelNon-specification cargo tanks are authorized, tank must provide strong, leak-free containment;Class 3 placards and ID # 1993 marking required on all four sides; Hazmat shipping papers and emergency information offered and carried; andVehicle is a commercial motor vehicle, the driver needs a CDL with hazmat and tanker endorsements; Exception: A farmer with a Minnesota driver’s license, does not need a CDL or endorsements.


Farmers, operating within Minnesota, transporting fuel for use on their own farm, in tanks of less than 1,500gallons capacity, are not required to carry hazardous materials shipping papers




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I don't know off hand if Iowa has an exception like that for farm use (I don't have the need to haul a large quantity of fuel so never checked).  The 1000 pounds is the DOT set limit without placards.  Each state will make exceptions, but when you cross state lines that also goes out the window.
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That is the question. I have to cross the state line to get the fuel I want. It's only a 1/4 mile from the border to the fuel station but still. But I wouldn't be the only one doing this exact thing at that exact station. Some farmers have been doing this for a while in my area.


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Lonn, I read the first link in dave's post also.  Yes, it says you're exempt for the volume, but only directly from your farm to the field and back, not even a side trip to the repair shop, and only on local roads.  Wouldn't think you could go get it under that wording.
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I found an article that stated that Iowa will waive CDL requirements for farmers if you are operating in your own state (IA drivers license in IA).  I copied the exception below the statute is: §383.3(d)(1)

(d)Exception for farmers, firefighters, emergency response vehicle drivers, and drivers removing snow and ice. A State may, at its discretion, exempt individuals identified in paragraphs (d)(1), (d)(2), and (d)(3) of this section from the requirements of this part. The use of this waiver is limited to the driver's home State unless there is a reciprocity agreement with adjoining States.

(1)Operators of a farm vehicle which is:

(i) Controlled and operated by a farmer, including operation by employees or family members;

(ii) Used to transport either agricultural products, farm machinery, farm supplies, or both to or from a farm;

(iii) Not used in the operations of a for-hire motor carrier, except for an exempt motor carrier as defined in § 390.5 of this subchapter; and

(iv) Used within 241 kilometers (150 miles) of the farmer's farm.


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Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

Lonn, I read the first link in dave's post also.  Yes, it says you're exempt for the volume, but only directly from your farm to the field and back, not even a side trip to the repair shop, and only on local roads.  Wouldn't think you could go get it under that wording.
Read this link and see what you think.

I know one thing, I ain't gonna ask any so-called authority. I learned a long time ago they say no first to cover their back side because they usually don't know the law themselves. Once a so-called authority says no it nearly takes an act of Congress to get them to change their mind no matter what proof you bring to show they were wrong. Case in point is my neighbor who wanted to repair field tile in his field and the so-called authority said he couldn't because he (the government) had declared it a non-farmable wetland a few years earlier. It was tiled prior to 1984 and had been farmed all these years. When showed evidence he started to make other accusations about unauthorized cleaning out of a waterway the farmer had built himself. It had filled with silt and the neighbor had just cleaned it out. Anyhow he operates a sandpit too and figured he had better eave it alone because he was scared the s0-called authority would get MSHA on him and they would .......... well it's a long story and these guys are not above taking revenge.
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