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shameless (ne)
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Topic: 2 All-Crop questionsPosted: 28 Sep 2016 at 5:58am |
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technicalities....whew!
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Dan73
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 4:25am |
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Yup but you said the PO rebuilt that one so in alot of places it isn't older it is alot younger. |
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shameless (ne)
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 3:54am |
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yeah....that's normal shak'in
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CrestonM
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Posted: 28 Sep 2016 at 12:00am |
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Sorry. However, my 1st post does say the cylinder has an equal amount of rubber on each bar. That was kind of a if/then statement.
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Carl(NWWI)
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 11:04pm |
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I did have the belt off over the weekend, and spinning it by hand, I noticed it would spin a while, and gradually stop. No heavy spot. You Could've said that earlier.... Edited by Carl(NWWI) - 27 Sep 2016 at 11:09pm |
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 10:07pm |
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Here it is. Edited by CrestonM - 27 Sep 2016 at 10:08pm |
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CrestonM
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 10:01pm |
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Yes. We think it could be the bearings on the right end of the straw rack and the shoe hangars. Maybe the straw rack is running too fast too, because it does look a little fast when it's running at 535 pto rpm.
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combinechris
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 9:58pm |
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We might have it narrowed down to the problem now since I talked to Creston on the phone. Straw rack may need to be slowed down. The drive pulley on the back may need shims put in or taken out to slow the rack speed.
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35 combines and 15 forage harvesters. mostly allis combines and equipment.WTB 2 row cornhead for a 90
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CrestonM
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 9:54pm |
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Thanks for the pics. I know how the belt goes on, but why it twists itself between the idler on the top left and the big sheave on the top right was what baffled me. I guess it's normal.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 9:15pm |
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CrestonM
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 8:53pm |
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My other 60A is 801 combines older than this one, and it doesn't shake...
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CrestonM
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 8:47pm |
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The pitman arms were new this spring, and are still in great shape. The pivot blocks on the straw rack were shot this spring (only one was still there, and it was broke) I used the old one for a pattern and made some new ones out of soft maple because that's all I had, and harvest was in less than a week. The holes are a little egged, but not too bad I don't think. What kind of wood were the original blocks made of, as well as the wood chain guides?
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 8:45pm |
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I did have the belt off over the weekend, and spinning it by hand, I noticed it would spin a while, and gradually stop. No heavy spot. Yes, the tab is tight against the belt. No, didn't call Arland. I planned to, but I've been busy with homework all day.
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JimIA
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 8:34pm |
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Take the cylinder drive belt off of the cylinder pulley and see if there is a heavy spot in the cylinder if that makes sense.
Also, take the separator belt off and move the straw rack by hand, check the wooden pitman arms and make sure they are not egged out and needing replacement. Also check and make sure the wooden pivot blocks on the left side of the straw rack are tight. Those two shouldnt make a diffence in your problem but have seen them cause other issues. I might know where there are some NOS blocks that can by sent your way.
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An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth
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JimIA
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 8:27pm |
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Did you check the cylinder for balance?
As for the belt, you do have the tab up tight against it dont you? Did you get ahold of Arland today?
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An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth
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shameless (ne)
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 7:39pm |
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you'd shake too if you was that old!
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CrestonM
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 7:38pm |
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But it shakes a lot less without the rear separator belt. Still shakes, but not as bad.
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Carl(NWWI)
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 7:11pm |
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Ohh absolutely!! They can make a mess of things. Especially on an axial flow. Doing a shaker overhaul on a 2588 right now at work. Only thing that leads me towards the cylinder is Creston said with more rpm on the cylinder the more it shakes. If he leaves the belt off for the shaker, it still shakes. Edited by Carl(NWWI) - 27 Sep 2016 at 7:12pm |
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combinechris
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 5:33pm |
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All of them.yes even that shaft .I've had one of those bearings break.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 5:23pm |
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What is a shaker shaft? You mean the straw rack? Which shaft? The one that the "Y"ish shaped thing rocks on?
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combinechris
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 4:41pm |
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Like I said carl shaker bearings too. I had a busted bearing on the shaker shaft that caused a lot of shaking too.
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Carl(NWWI)
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 3:57pm |
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Like I said earlier. Check the cylinder as I stated.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 11:16am |
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Check the bearings on the straw rack shafts and on the shaker arms. The video you sent me Creston sounds like some worn bearings that need to be replaced.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 10:58am |
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Mistake twist right and then left.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 10:53am |
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Put belt on top big pulley twist to left going to driving pulley go under it and bottom big pulley and twist to the right then straight to fan and idler.Guess it has been close to fifty years since I put one on.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 10:41am |
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Maybe a new belt would fix the twisting problem. They are pretty old.
The thing I find odd is this combine shakes like no other (Maybe because it's so old, battered, and scarred), and my other 60A (Which shows a lot of evidence of being rebuilt by the PO) sits almost prefectly still at operating speed.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 10:26am |
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One thing about belts, most of the time, you about "can't" put them on wrong. Meaning, miss a twist or go over the wrong direction of a sheave or whatever and the tension will come out all wrong, either won't fit or be too much to tighten.
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Carl(NWWI)
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 9:44am |
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When I had a belt doing that I put a new belt on and the problem went away. Belt was getting old and weak.
As for the shaking, mine shakes quite a bit and it's completely rebuilt. The biggest thing is the Walker moving back and forth in the machine. No different then new combines, but when's it's side ways it's more noticeable. Mine doesn't change with the cylinder speed at all. Only thing that changed is the hum. Check the cylinder bearings, mine on the right side were gone and wore through the housing. Another thing to try is take the belt off the cylinder and spin it. It should not stop in the same spot every time. If it does, you'll notice it rock back and forth til it stops in that spot. That means your cylinder is off balance. Edited by Carl(NWWI) - 27 Sep 2016 at 9:45am |
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shameless (ne)
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 8:54am |
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there should be a decal on the back showing the way the belt goes.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2016 at 8:53am |
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one of dad's shook a lot, and the other one didn't. it never hampered it's working ability tho.
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