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1978 7060 powershift brake? |
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Offroadnt ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Feb 2021 Location: Southern Albert Points: 12 |
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Hello everyone, we recently acquired a 7060 with the six speed powershift.
Backstory... We got it with a ranch and had no idea what and if anything was wrong with it. We got it running after changing the fuel, filters and getting the metering sleeve loosened up and attempted to move it, steering didn't work either and discovered a spool was installed backwards and an orfice disk was missing, fabricated a new plate and steering, brakes and hydraulics are 100% now ![]() So Attempting to move it we discovered we couldn't shift the range into any gear, it would just grind, had to stop the engine and restart in gear, then it would move slowly forward. Anyway it had no reverse and no 1st and second, 3rd was slow applying but would kill the engine and so would 4th, 5th and 6th. Checked all pressures and everything was within specs except brake pressure, it stayed at zero. Adjusted linkage, no change, pulled valve, dismantled, reassembled, used air pressure and check the plate movement of the clutch packs we could see and listened for leaks and everything seemed good. Interestingly the drums turned easily by hand and we stared the engine briefly and there was no dragging with the range in gear and it was easy to shift. So we reassembled everything and it was exactly the same as before. So I've split the tractor and pulled the powershift unit right out of it. What I've discovered so far is the six half inch bolts that bolt the 61T gear (70267719) to B1 clutch hub (70267754) were all sheared off. The rest looks pretty good so far, there may be some warped and discolored disks and spacers. Anyway, I cannot find the clutch brake, what am I missing? Logically I would think it would just apply three or four clutches simultaneously to act as a brake (similar to Case powershift) but it does have a dedicated transmission brake test port so how does this work? I've been back and forth through the service manual and parts book and cannot find any reference to the actual transmission brake components for the powershift. Can anybody help clear this up for me? I have to be missing something. Thanks.
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Offroadnt ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Feb 2021 Location: Southern Albert Points: 12 |
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PS, by "Kill the engine" in third, forth, fifth and sixth I mean in range gear with the brakes applied. Shifting with the range in neutral or park it seems good. Sixth was dragging (pulling the engine down a bit) before we did the valve, after it seemed good.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21876 |
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The transmission "brake" is the application of the reverse clutch and one of the forward clutches at the same time. Proper adjustment of the linkage is IMPERITIVE for the reverse clutch to have a long service life. To apply the trans brake, the clutch pedal must be pushed down into the "brake zone" which is close to the bottom of the pedal stroke. The trans brake shall not be used to stop forward motion of the tractor, which some people do, and this is a BAD thing.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21876 |
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Unwritten rule: either reuse all the wave springs in a given clutch pack or replace them all in a given clutch pack. Mixing new wave springs with old flattened out wave springs can cause you trouble.
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Offroadnt ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Feb 2021 Location: Southern Albert Points: 12 |
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Thank you very much! That's what I needed to know,I suspected as much as it makes sense.
I'll be tackling this again on Monday. |
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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Ever gear uses eitherA2 and B1 . The teeth on these clutch disks get worn and don't want to move on hubs, causing them not to want to take off in R -1-2 and 3. Might want to take a look at dish in A2 and C1.
Transmission brake applies about 400 PSI to C2 and B1. MACK
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Offroadnt ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Feb 2021 Location: Southern Albert Points: 12 |
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Mack, what is the source of 400psi? Powershift system pressure is 200psi. How does the brake circuit work? Are there a couple of shuttle valves that transfer oil from the brake source to use these clutches? Do you have a diagram for the transmission shift circuit by any chance?
Just want to make sure I've covered everything before I put this tractor back together. Don't want to have to do this again. Thanks. |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21876 |
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System pressure is about 210 psi and brake pressure 40 psi.....typo.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21876 |
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Loctite those bolts that came loose and use new AGCO bolts. Be sure to replace all piston seals. Be sure to replace the three inner hub seals on the rear rotating clutch packs. Loctite and stake big nut on the front of transmission. Wrap front input shaft splines with thin layer of electrical tape to protect new shaft seal from being damaged when sliding it over the splines. Clean, clean, clean valve body and use new gaskets.
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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I punched too many O's.
When pedal is in brake position , inching spool opens a passage to C2 and B1 clutches. One of the plungers acts as a relief valve to lower pressure to 40 PSI. MACK
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Offroadnt ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Feb 2021 Location: Southern Albert Points: 12 |
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Thanks guys, good advice. Sounds like I have a busy week, might not get back to it for a bit now.
I think I'll send the gear and hub in and get them surfaced, they are scored a bit. Shouldn't hurt to take a few thousands off should it? Otherwise I should inspect it and arrange for parts any moment I get. |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21876 |
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Most that I ever had I felt the damage was such that parts needed to be replaced. The improved parts have 7/16" bolts, not 3/8" bolts.
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12168 |
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I can't help on your issue, but hello there Mr. Offroadnt, from the unique name and location, from the old CTF. Welcom.
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Offroadnt ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Feb 2021 Location: Southern Albert Points: 12 |
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Hi Tbone95! Thank you, good to see you here.
Got an Allis or two yourself do you? We will probably sell this one, there seems to be a number of people interested in it. This is actually a fascinating tractor, I didn't even know they had a powershift. It's almost twice as much work to get into the powershift compared to a '90 series Case but it has six speeds and appears to be heavier built. The cab sure is tight though and a challange to get into and out of. Must be one of the first to use an electronic tach. |
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12168 |
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I have one Allis, a 7045. Mine is a power director, not a powershift. I needed some HP, and it was hard not to chance $9000 for 150 HP. Probably got another $5k in it during the first couple years. Agreed on the cab, but it is nicely quiet in there once you get situated.
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Offroadnt ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Feb 2021 Location: Southern Albert Points: 12 |
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Anybody know a good source for this stuff? Allis Chalmers 7060 s/n 5641 parts 1 70265383 GASKET, strainer 1 70265314 GASKET, front 1 70267727 GASKET, transmission housing 1 70246926 SEAL 1 70267706 GASKET 4 70267398 RING, seal 10 70268367 PLATE, driving 13 70267408 SPRING, wave 2 70268794 PLATE, separator 3 70268853 PLATE, separator 1 70268711 RING, seal, inner 5 70269775 RING, seal, piston, inner 6 70270094 RING seal, piston, outer 2 70268041 RING, seal 1 70268038 RING, seal Looks like it'll be very close to 5000CAD here.
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Offroadnt ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Feb 2021 Location: Southern Albert Points: 12 |
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Maybe a muffler as well.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21876 |
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There is a seal/gasket kit under one PN that makes it easier for an overhaul. Usually at the bottom of the page.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8619 |
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AGCO is your source
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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You will still need the piston rings seals as they don't come in gasket kit. MACK
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21876 |
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Try p/n 70270012 for the overhaul gasket kit. I'm sure it used to include every single seal and gasket, unless AGCO changed that.
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Lynn Marshall ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Dana, Iowa Points: 2387 |
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Those kits have the rubber lip seals for the pistons, but doesn't include the steel sealing rings.
Edited by Lynn Marshall - 24 Feb 2021 at 10:08pm |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21876 |
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70267717 would be for the three cast iron hook-type sealing rings.
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Offroadnt ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Feb 2021 Location: Southern Albert Points: 12 |
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Annnnd I'm back... Ordered the part, got some used stuff but I have a small problem... I ordered 70268367 PLATE, driving (2 req'd in A1 & B2 Housing; 5 req'd in A2 Housing) and it turns out I needed 70269418 PLATE, DRIVING (B1 HOUSING) and/or 70262987 PLATE, DRIVING (C2 HOUSING) The service manual doesn't show three different driving plates, only two. Online parts shows three. Question is can I just use 70268367 throughout? What is the actual difference besides the way the teeth are cutout? They seem identical otherwise. I checked four times before making the order, I can't believe I still screwed it up. Thanks.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21876 |
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There are two different drive disc teeth. You mix them up and you are on your own. If A-C thought they could mix them, they wouldn't have made two styles.
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Offroadnt ![]() Bronze Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Feb 2021 Location: Southern Albert Points: 12 |
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Yeah, I know. Thought I'd ask anyway.
I'm not mixing them, just using all the same instead of the two different styles. |
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Lynn Marshall ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Dana, Iowa Points: 2387 |
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I don't know why the Allis engineers used different friction plates in some of those clutch packs. They look to be the same except for the shape of the teeth. I will say, that the Allis service manual is very specific about the number of friction plates,the shape of the teeth, the thickness of the separator plates, piston thickness, and all the flyball dimensions with different flyball springs. Considering the amount of labor to overhaul that transmission,I wouldn't want to have to redo it because I used the wrong parts.
Edited by Lynn Marshall - 05 Mar 2021 at 8:30am |
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