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jiminnd 
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Posted: 17 hours 21 minutes ago at 4:47pm |
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Auction coming up with a 190, not xt. According to serial number it is a 1967, was there rear end improvements to these or was that just on the xt. thank for any info.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 15 hours 51 minutes ago at 6:17pm |
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If the chassis number is 190-9001 or higher, it has an XT driveline for that period of time. Prior to s/n 9001 it is the old original 3-5 and 4-6 on the transmission speeds, which is the lighter duty transmission and everything else related to the driveline.
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DougG
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Posted: 15 hours 3 minutes ago at 7:05pm |
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When I got mine just considered it a One Eighty, with the big platform,,,
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DrAllis
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Posted: 14 hours 49 minutes ago at 7:19pm |
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Well, it was about 1200 lbs heavier had 34 or 38 inch rubber and 10-12 more HP, PLUS the high deck.
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DougG
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Posted: 2 hours 28 minutes ago at 7:40am |
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Oh I know,, just the deck is very nice,,, my thinking was with the axle thing, A One Eighty is an awesome machine,, close to a One Ninety,,,
Edited by DougG - 2 hours 24 minutes ago at 7:44am
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injpumpEd
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Posted: 37 minutes ago at 9:31am |
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I often wondered if the drivetrain improvements on the XT applied to the NA 190's also. Like a series 3 XT, latest and greatest. Would not have been needed on a straight 190 though.
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tbran
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Posted: 25 minutes ago at 9:43am |
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Then only difference I know of between XT and non XT was turbo and oil cooler - the gas had a pretty expensive muffler - The 190 was ordered with a lot of 16.9-34 rubber to make a bigger price point. I bet the company margin was shaved a tad on the 190 - anyone have any of the old price sheets to see the difference of the two in price? Also the difference in gas and diesel. Net difference in production cost was less than a grand net. Of course there was a lower warranty factor as well. (the 190's had an extra clutch plate in the PD clutch over the 180)
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DrAllis
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Posted: 10 minutes ago at 9:58am |
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When the change was made to the improved and heavier driveline components, the straight 190 got everything the XT did, after s/n 9001. Those transmission and torque tube parts also got used in the brand new July of 1967 One-Eighty tractor as well. So, there was zero need to have differing parts between the 190 and XT models. Makes me wonder if there may have been a One-Eighty proto or two that could have had early 190 driveline parts ?? That plan would have soon scrapped from the intro of the 190 in summer of 1964 til July of 1967. Just depends when the first One-Eighty proto was built. I know the last existing One-Eighty 4-cyl gasser has the newer transmission in it, as the speeds are 3-4 and 5-6 instead of 3-5 and 4-6.
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