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#1 or #2 or #4 Plow ID ?

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    Posted: 07 Nov 2011 at 6:49pm

   How do you properly ID correctly if a plow is a #1, #2, or #4 ?

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The number 1 is usually a light weight 1 bottom plow with small hubs and thin wheel spokes.  Although the book for the #1 also shows a 2 bottom, I've never seen or heard of one. 
The #2 is a heavier plow in 2, 3, 4, &5 bottoms, the 3,4,&5 are relatively rare.  The two bottom was available with or without an articulating tail wheel.
The # 4 is a lighter weight plow with no tail wheel, I think it only came as a two bottom plow.  There were no hubs that stuck out beyond the wheels and there were two slotted pieces of strap iron between the levers.  The wheel hubs were held on by three bolts on the INSIDE of the wheels

Since this original posting, I have seen a #1 two bottom plow, so they do exist, but are extremely rare from my experience.


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   Where there more than these three models ? I have a copy of the 1935 Agricultural catalog and it shows the #1 in 1 and 2 bottoms, with a articulating tail wheel that stays on the ground when transported or a fixed rolling landside that leaves the ground when transported. It shows the #2 in 1 to 5 bottoms with a articulating tail wheel that stays on the ground when transported only. Then it shows #43 and #54 medium weights, #44 and #55, #64 and #65 tractor plows, and then several model orchard plows.
   It dosen't even show a #4 ? Was it a newer model than 1935 ?
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   Oh thanks Ted, I'm just trying to get these older models straight !
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Eventually there were 50s, 60s, 70, 80, and 9000s by 1968 in 1 through at least 5  bottoms maybe more in the later years when tractors got big enough to pull them.

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   I guess I am wondering is there a specific part or parts that one would be able to look at when trying to identify these plows that would 100% conclude what model plow it is ?
 
   Trying to identify a lightweight or heavyweight plow covered with weeds when out in a fence row without the opposite example being there is sometimes difficult to say the least.
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Parts book that covers the mower frames.

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 I have a #1  2 bottom that i thought was a #2 when i got it. I found out that the wheels and hubcaps are different becouse the #1 plow uses a smaller diameter axle. The way i found out that it was a #1  is by the casting number on the hubcap.  Matt
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Most #1 plows were refered to as a "B" plow by the old timers & the #2 was mostly pulled by the famous unstyled WC.   I happen to own a 2 bottom #2 with & without a tailwheel( maybe it's what could be refered  to as the #4, I don't know).   Also we own a 3 bottom #2 that came out on rubber.   Hoping to find a #2 3' 4' & 5 bottom on steel to complete the set for shows someday!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fred in Pa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2017 at 8:54pm
I still some dealer salesman lit.  that shows all these plows  , be a few days as I am cleaning out and selling all these things.
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Fred,  that would be very interesting!   What years & models do you think your lit. covers?     I think we should make every effort to keep that stuff out there for future generations.
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Guys my 11 year old son and I bought an Allis c and this plow, can you tell if this is an alllis plow and will the c pull it? Thanks
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That is an Allis Chalmers Series 1 plow. Can't tell if has 16" or 18" plow share, but either way your C will pull it with no problem.
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I agree that that is a #1 Allis plow.   Either it's a very late one (because of the rubber tires) or someone converted it from steel!  If it's a early one it should have "Allis Chalmers name cast into the beam.   Also of the many #1's that I've seen I've never seem a 18" shear I know that they are supposed to exist but the bulk of them must have been 16".    The curve of the mole board is so close to the infamous Case plow that one cant help but wonder if the same party didn't design them both.   They just seem to roll the dirt & crumble it better than most others!!
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Guys thanks so much for your information, we don't have it picked up yet, but I'll check the beam to see if it's stamped, and hopefully find an operators manual on it, make sense with the spokes that it may have been converted to rubber, some plows ive seen on rubber would have a solid rim, either way the rubber will be nice for loading and unloading on a trailer.
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Hers the back of plow
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JoesACC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 7:38am
Ok we got the plow home, it's a 16", it DOES have allis chalmers stamped on the main frame. Question! None of my clevises seem to fit in the hitch, does it take a special style? Not sure it's latching properly, but I'm thinking it's just the clevis? Thanks
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