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 Posted: 03 Nov 2023 at 7:04pm |
Im not trying to WIN or change anyone mind.. If you want to talk about some of the MINOR SIDE EFFECTS on the VAX, thats OK... SOME might have died ?? Maybe? Some got the blood clots ? YES.. that is a fact... MOST say that it goes away in a few days.. Do SOME have long term ? Maybe......
A LOT of people got blood clots FROM COVID.. Many died FROM COVID... Many have LONG TERM PROBLEMS , FROM COVID.... YEP.. its BAD CHIT... but MORE had problems from the COVID than the SHOT.
There are plenty of things to disagree or question on the topic.. I just dont stay silent when there are OBVIOUS FAKE NEWS posted ... like NO TESTING... or 1 out of 35 have blood cots.. HECK... that would be 7 MILLION PEOPLE ???
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Posted: 03 Nov 2023 at 7:18pm |
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Wait….who won? Give it up. Both of you. News flash, you disagree, and ain’t never going to agree. |
Steve is lying, hello. There was no time to test, you cant change the laws of physics, hello???
A few months compared to years for normal testing, on something this serious you could actually see the light.
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Posted: 03 Nov 2023 at 7:21pm |
Lets get to the relevant huge fact here, Steve NEVER watched the video!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets try that again, Steve is commenting on this factual video , making assumptions with out even watching it, as a matter of fact he is lying , nothing new on this subject.
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Posted: 03 Nov 2023 at 7:26pm |
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Wait….who won? Give it up. Both of you. News flash, you disagree, and ain’t never going to agree. |
What good are you?? Trying to stir the pot because???? Steve did not watch the video, care to comment on that???
I dont give a  tt if Steve agrees with me. He is lying to protect big pharma, why dont you ask him why?
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Posted: 03 Nov 2023 at 7:36pm |
Protect Pharma ?? NOT ME ! ............ Your movie is BS.... Like i said, if i post 20 MOVIES with FACTS that differ from yours, are YOU GOING TO BELIEVE IT ???
You said YOUR DATA comes from the GOVT ? You spend 99% of your time telling us the GOVT LIES all the time ??  |
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Posted: 03 Nov 2023 at 7:50pm |
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Protect Pharma ?? NOT ME ! ............ Your movie is BS.... Like i said, if i post 20 MOVIES with FACTS that differ from yours, are YOU GOING TO BELIEVE IT ???
You said YOUR DATA comes from the GOVT ? You spend 99% of your time telling us the GOVT LIES all the time ?? |
Did you watch it yet???? Trying to deflect wont work, all you want do do is argue and apparently can never admit you are wrong.
Hey!!!!!!!I got a suggestion, watch the video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Since the whole topic of this discussion is about the video showing adverse reactions and death from the vax, you could inform your self instead of blindly groping along.
Try it, come on try it, really.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 12:03am |
This video is a review of an array of studies done by very well respected medical experts who are not part of any fiscally or politically encumbered entity. Dr. Campbell's function here is to read the study transcripts and translate them into non-medical terminology so that ordinary people can understand what the studies are about, how they were done, and what the statistics MEAN. Most doctors can't do this well, but Dr. John did really, really well on this one.
When you hand a person a book, and they haven't read it, but they tell you they already know what's in it, and therefore won't read it, the answer is simple: They've predisposed themself to a conclusion.
When piloting an aircraft in low visibility, a pilot can become easily disoriented, and think they're flying straight and level, with stick straight up and rudder centered... when in fact, they're in a banked turn, and loosing altitude. Their airspeed is increasing as they fall, but they don't 'feel it' in the seat of their pants, because centrifugal force makes it feel like they're still neutral or even climbing slightly. This is called a 'death spiral' or 'suicide spiral' and the true culprit, is the circumstance of relying on what they FEEL, and not believing the instruments (the compass, the artificial horizon, the altimeter).
This dispositional fixation is not limited to aircraft... it's a human weakness, and it cannot be fixed from the outside. If Steve isn't wiling to watch it to offer educated commentary, pressuring him to do so serves no purpose.
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I'm undecided on getting the latest vaccine on the Covid yet. Dave how is your buddy doing so far? prayers from our home to him and his family. an ex-co-worker just got his updated shot a couple weeks ago, he just died. he was in good shape for his age of 68.
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If I had the chance to go back and not take the shots I would.
Had a brother that refused and he and his family all took ivermectin. Went to a family reunion and came home with Covid. I’m the only one that got it. Could have picked it up anywhere along the way so I don’t have factual data there.
My other brother (who did take the shot) just had a massive heart attack out of the clear blue. Is it related? I have no clue.
I’ve developed a kidney infection and peeing blood clots. Very painful and inconvenient at times. Is it related? I have no clue.
Yesterday my shoulder started hurting right where I got the second shot. This has occurred a few times and sometimes even develops a sore at the spot where the needle went in.
Have a cousin in Idaho who has developed blood clots in her lungs. Her lung doctor swears this is from the shots.
Who knows?
I can’t go back and I won’t lose sleep over it.
The good Lord is still in charge and will take me when he sees fit.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 5:44am |
NEVER green wrote:
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Wait….who won? Give it up. Both of you. News flash, you disagree, and ain’t never going to agree. |
What good are you?? Trying to stir the pot because???? Steve did not watch the video, care to comment on that???
I dont give a [IMG]uploads/1/censored.bmp">tt if Steve agrees with me. He is lying to protect big pharma, why dont you ask him why? |
First, hello back thanks. Trying to stir the pot? Um, no, I’m trying to throw the damn pot out the back door. What good am I? Well that’s a fair question. I don’t know. I don’t really like evaluating myself. I’m fairly humble. What good are you? Even more pertinent, what good are all these rants? The “OMG!!!” ‘s, the name calling the, the same argument with the same guy for months (years?) Everyone on the forum knows what you think about Covid. Everyone who reads more than once a month anyway. So again, what good is this?
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 6:50am |
I guess I will continue to take my medical advice from the health care professionals that knows my complete medical history. I feel that they have my best interests in mind when they advise me. I don't feel they are part of a conspiracy to feed "big pharma". If I don't take their advice, I am wasting my money and their and my time.
By the way, I thought we were all here because we all have a common interest; Allis Chalmers. Why do we need personal attacks against other members???
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 9:14am |
When you hand a person a book, and they haven't read it, but they tell you they already know what's in it, and therefore won't read it, the answer is simple: They've predisposed themself to a conclusion.
When i read the first 3 pages and find 2 KNOWN LIES.... I throw the book away... Not worth my time to try to separate fact from fiction.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 5:19pm |
But you said you hadn't seen it... so you wouldn't know.... therefore, you cannot claim it to be anything, especially not lies.
Just remember: On overrunning Alexandria, Caliph Omar BURNED the Great Library, destroying a thousand years of civilization's historical and literature works. His justification was much like yours:
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 6:17pm |
I did not say i didnt see a few minutes of the movie.. Dr. Quack has made a dozen or more on You Tube.. I have seen a couple and he DISTORTS the data or comes to the wrong conclusion based on his AGENDA..... Got him figured out a LONG time ago..
He is on You Tube to make money as a Blogger... the PLAN is to say things that TRIGGER people and get them to WATCH..
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Like i said.. I can post a DOZEN you tube movies that prove just the Opposite... if your interested in Learning..
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 7:22pm |
So here is a video of M-RNA which is in the new vaccines https://www.facebook.com/reel/1724644244667840
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 8:33pm |
How long mRNA lasts in the bodyThe Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work by introducing mRNA (messenger RNA) into your muscle cells. The cells make copies of the spike protein and the mRNA is quickly degraded (within a few days). The cell breaks the mRNA up into small harmless pieces. mRNA is very fragile; that's one reason why mRNA vaccines must be so carefully preserved at very low temperatures. How long do spike proteins last in the body?The Infectious Disease Society of America (IDSA) estimates that the spike proteins that were generated by COVID-19 vaccines last up to a few weeks, like other proteins made by the body. The immune system quickly identifies, attacks and destroys the spike proteins because it recognizes them as not part of you. This "learning the enemy" process is how the immune system figures out how to defeat the real coronavirus. It remembers what it saw and when you are exposed to coronavirus in the future it can rapidly mount an effective immune response.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 9:21pm |
Steve, you're repeating the 'how it is supposed to work', as an argument that does not address the subject.... and of course, you've quoted without citation of source.
As before, you've repeated the 'official' efficacy studies, and nobody here challenges any efficacy studies, mostly because they're IRRELEVANT to the circumstance, but completely because they're irrelevant to the original subject.
The original subject, is that REGARDLESS of wether or not the vaccinations are 'effective' at doing what they're ADVERTISED (having some beneficial effect against some target virus), the distribution and magnitude of SIDE EFFECTS of said vaccination are clearly more statistically significant than disclosed.
There is nothing in Dr Campbell's reading of the Swedish, German, Swiss, or New Zealand reports that constitutes any bias- he's simply reading the results, and explaining the medical terms in non-medical language. Referring to him as a 'Quack', in that respect, is an act of aggrivated foolishness, as he has made no prescription for anyone's treatment.
In alignment with your logical path, Read the owner's manual of your automobile, it will tell you "how everything works". When you observe that it starts having problems starting, re-read the owner's manual on 'how everything works'. Ignore the reports online of others who issue complaints about hard starting, and re-read the owner's manual on 'how everything works', and continue ignorantly grinding away at that starter.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 9:37pm |
the guy is a NURSE.. selling BS on YOU TUBE... Not a DOCTOR... He takes a small amount of DATA and manipulates it to push his AGENDA........
Of course there are some side effects... NOT 1 in 35 people... That is manipulating the data... I will take the IDSA info over a British NURSE manipulating data.
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While reports of myocarditis following any Covid-19 vaccine are rare, cases are more common in young males aged 18 to 29 years following the second dose. Most people who have been affected have experienced a mild illness and recovered without medical treatment. Myocarditis can cause heart scarring that can be detected with cardiac MRI – there is a small chance of scarring causing a life-threatening arrhythmia in the future, and therefore people who are affected are likely to be offered long-term follow-up and monitoring. Research has found that Covid-19 itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine is, and people who are vaccinated have a much lower risk of getting other serious complications caused by Covid-19.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 9:57pm |
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My wife's niece is a Chaplin in a Nursing Home in Mpls . she had 4 part time assistants also for over 300 + individuals , well until COVID - then spots started opening up , visitors were banned , and MN Governor started warehousing individuals released from hospitals .
3 assistants quit as soon as new residents started being housed .
She handled most of the duties for 2 weeks and then the other assistant quit .
Over the next 2 months she faced 170 deaths in the facilities , dealing with residents and grieving relatives who called to check on their loved ones .
During this time she also cared for her twin daughters - as it seems her husband had abandoned her and the girls a few years before .
Oh and everyone in the place had their shots , mandatory and all new residents were also said to be over it - but many passed anyway .
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 10:01pm |
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yes, that is terrible Coke... 1 MILLION people died while waiting for the shot.. 90% of them were "OLD PEOPLE"... as soon as the SHOT came out, then death rate started falling DRASTICALLY.... There were probably half a MILLION "OLD PEOPLE" saved by getting the shot... But, your RIGHT... many still died.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 8:39am |
steve(ill) wrote:
the guy is a NURSE.. selling BS on YOU TUBE... Not a DOCTOR... He takes a small amount of DATA and manipulates it to push his AGENDA........
Of course there are some side effects... NOT 1 in 35 people... That is manipulating the data... I will take the IDSA info over a British NURSE manipulating data.
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While reports of myocarditis following any Covid-19 vaccine are rare, cases are more common in young males aged 18 to 29 years following the second dose. Most people who have been affected have experienced a mild illness and recovered without medical treatment. Myocarditis can cause heart scarring that can be detected with cardiac MRI – there is a small chance of scarring causing a life-threatening arrhythmia in the future, and therefore people who are affected are likely to be offered long-term follow-up and monitoring. Research has found that Covid-19 itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine is, and people who are vaccinated have a much lower risk of getting other serious complications caused by Covid-19. |
More lies from Steve. The guy is a doctor who TEACHES nurses.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 8:48am |
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Wait….who won? Give it up. Both of you. News flash, you disagree, and ain’t never going to agree. |
What good are you?? Trying to stir the pot because???? Steve did not watch the video, care to comment on that???
I dont give a [IMG]uploads/1/censored.bmp">tt if Steve agrees with me. He is lying to protect big pharma, why dont you ask him why? |
First, hello back thanks.
Trying to stir the pot? Um, no, I’m trying to throw the damn pot out the back door.
What good am I? Well that’s a fair question. I don’t know. I don’t really like evaluating myself. I’m fairly humble. What good are you? Even more pertinent, what good are all these rants? The “OMG!!!” ‘s, the name calling the, the same argument with the same guy for months (years?) Everyone on the forum knows what you think about Covid. Everyone who reads more than once a month anyway. So again, what good is this? |
I did not call Steve any names, try paying attention.. Oh my God expresses my exasperation What of it?????? I am willing to bet I am not the only one voicing these words
Everyone on the forum does not go the political page, try again.
What good is this???? Really??? I am trying to get life saving info out ,there should be consequences for reckless, corrupt actions.
If you commented on the info supplied by the video it would be one thing, nope, not a peep, what good are you??
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Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 8:49am |
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yes, that is terrible Coke... 1 MILLION people died while waiting for the shot.. 90% of them were "OLD PEOPLE"... as soon as the SHOT came out, then death rate started falling DRASTICALLY.... There were probably half a MILLION "OLD PEOPLE" saved by getting the shot... But, your RIGHT... many still died. |
Have you watched the video yet???
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Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 9:06am |
https://youtu.be/Bykt4eyiDPc?si=ENrTw1JXQsfPgzYC
The kill shot causes cancer reactivation, and this is not the only source for this.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 9:08am |
I will be posting more facts about the kill shot, just giving some one a little time to absorb all this info.
Dont want to use his name less I set of Tbone.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 9:28am |
steve(ill) wrote:
the guy is a NURSE.. selling BS on YOU TUBE... Not a DOCTOR... He takes a small amount of DATA and manipulates it to push his AGENDA........
Of course there are some side effects... NOT 1 in 35 people... That is manipulating the data... I will take the IDSA info over a British NURSE manipulating data.
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Steve is posting more BS, since the dangerous spike proteins are different from the vax to the illness they can be detected by looking at their genes.
Did you notice they are different??? This is why the vax is ineffective.
Now that they know this they can look at the permanently damaged heart tissue and detect the dangerous spike proteins from the vax inside the muscle.
The spike protein is supposed to remain in the injection site, it does not, it has been discovered in all the organs and blood. The CDC received numerous warnings from the man who helped develop MRNA technology and they pushed the kill shot anyway. They then lied stating the deadly proteins did remain in the injection site. This is astounding what the Government pulled off, people lost their jobs, friends, some even their family members because they did not cave to the pressure to protect their and their loved ones health.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 9:30am |
OOPS, getting carried away, this will be too much info for Mr. Pfizer, oops sorry Tbone.
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Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 10:12am |
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I guess I will continue to take my medical advice from the health care professionals that knows my complete medical history. I feel that they have my best interests in mind when they advise me. I don't feel they are part of a conspiracy to feed "big pharma".If I don't take their advice, I am wasting my money and their and my time.
By the way, I thought we were all here because we all have a common interest; Allis Chalmers. Why do we need personal attacks against other members???
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This section of the forum is dedicated to all things not Allis. Do you wish to remain in the dark on serious health matters??
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Posted: 05 Nov 2023 at 10:56am |
https://youtu.be/naopp_KF678?si=YpsrShOGes8GSdY5
These numbers are part of the story of record amounts of strokes and heart failures.
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