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mark vaughn ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 2011 Points: 63 |
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Which tractor company had the most tuff, best pulling, and best all around tractor manufactured in 1972? Allis Chalmers 220, John Deere 5020 or International 1466?
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ctbowles58 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: Clarksville, MO Points: 2249 |
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There are alot of IH 1066 &1466 around here i can only remember 1 220 there were alot of D series '190XTs and 7000ser. around this part of the country. also i rember a couple of JD 5020s also alot of 4020s there was a man here that had a new AC190XT and a new JD 4020 this was about 1969 and he said that the AC would out plow the JD but the JD would out disk the AC.
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BV ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bono Arkansas Points: 484 |
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It has to be OLIVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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m16ty ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Location: TN Points: 1474 |
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You're going to get three different answers depending on what forum you are on. Of course, the AC is going to win on this forum.
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mark vaughn ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 2011 Points: 63 |
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Your right m16ty. Im a ALLIS man myself but i like them all . EVEN OLIVER.
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skipwelte ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 2009 Location: Anthon, Iowa Points: 723 |
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I like the 220, and the 1466-the 66 series all suffered from the poorly designed torque amplifier, I do know the 5020 had that miserable boat anchor of an engine, the infamous 531, each one came from the factory with a grenade on a timer in the oil pan, when the timer went off parts flew out the side.,!!!!
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427435 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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The Minneapolis Moline G1350 or G1355 were no slouches------had more hp than the 5020 and a 585 cu. in. engine. Very stout units with outboard planetaries.
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Dave in il ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Location: Manville Il Points: 1748 |
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Allis sold a lot more 190XTs around here than 210s or 220s, but Deere sold more 4020s and 4320s, I never saw a 5020 around here. We did have some 1466 and a few 1566 but most were 966 and 1066. In 1972 we still had more IH than Deeres but Deere was gaining on them, AC was a distant third.
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AC WD45 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Location: Mid Michigan Points: 2060 |
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I always thought the 5020 was ahead of its time. There weren't really any farms using implements that large that needed that sort of power were there?
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WC7610 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Sioux City, IA Points: 764 |
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IMO, IH started declining with the 66 series and further with the 86 series unless you like replacing clutches & TA's for a hobby. 56 series were tough.
As far as all the colors, you will never get an agreement. Just my thought, but the level of local dealer service would influence me more than color to a certain degree.
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Brian F(IL) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paxton, IL Points: 2705 |
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I was in high school at the time and remember having HUGE discussions with my buddies about which color was better. I was the only AC fan and was mostly outnumbered by IH fans; a few JD guys were around but not many. I was always enjoyed getting the better of them with One-Ninety XT's outperforming IH 1206's. Don't remember any head-to-head competitions with Two-Twenty's vs. IH 1466's though.
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TREVMAN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Location: Regina,Sask,Can Points: 1635 |
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I know this is going to be vastly unpopular, but neighbors replaced their 1850 cockshutts (Olivers) with an 1105 and 1135 massey late in 72. They beat the hell out of them and overpulled them. They had a 1500 4wd that went down with a tranny issue and used the 1135 to pull 3 12 foot # 36 discers to seed with one spring. It did it, I still remember it going down the field half pulled over to the side from all the draft. Theyre were lots of 1105/1135 tractors in our area. Another guy bought a 1155 with the v-8, it lasted one summer and was gone, engine was thirsty and loud. They were good tractors, easy to work on and had decent factory cabs with A/C. Id take my Dads 190xt over one any day though, Trev
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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A 5020 was always known as a big dog when I was a kid. Too heavy for the power they actually put out. Besides blown engines they also were good to rip off the front end. A dairy farmer down the road from me had two of them. First the engine blew on one then he ripped the front axle off the other in close order. He still has them but I haven't seen them in the field since they grenaded 15 years ago. I do think he repaired them but they are just for looking at now. I remember a 6030 that a neighbor had. It was the only one around but was known in the area as another dog.
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m16ty ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Location: TN Points: 1474 |
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There were several MFs around here also. They were mostly smaller tractors though. Around here, you either loved or Hated MF. The people that had them thought they were the best tractors in the world. The others would almost shoot you for bringing one on their property. We (and most of the other Massey haters) said the people only liked them because they had never been on a "good" tractor and didn't know any better.
I will admit that I own a MF40 backhoe though. It's a pretty good machine and would give other hoes of the same vintage a run for their money. IMO I think they built the industrial equipment a little better than their ag equipment. The crappy power steering (typical Massey) is the only complaint I have with it. |
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BStone ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Texas Points: 2847 |
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I know it's not going to be unpopular, but I put many hrs on a 5020 and 6030 both.Big heavy tractors and had plenty of power.Also had a 1130...or 1135...can't remember.Had the MF first and thought it was something until we got the 5020 and 6030.Didn't have to use the breaks on the JD's to turn and the only way we could turn the MF was using the breaks.Land was sandy.The Massey was the most undependable tractor we ever owned.
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