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Les Kerf 
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Posted: 12 hours 11 minutes ago at 7:42am |
 Sugarmaker wrote:
... Some minor steering moves to keep it headed straight. I think the incorrect steering arm makes it turn very quick, checked this at low speed only!:)... |
Yup. The overall steering ratio will be about half of the original, so each degree of steering wheel movement will produce about twice as much change in direction.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 13 hours 35 minutes ago at 6:18am |
Guys, Continued shake down of the CA. I did take the alternator off again and took the leaky hose connection off the water pump outlet. Put some silicone goop on the surfaces. Reassembled and it still had a small leak. I put the sealant in and after running several times and coming up to near 170F. Most all of the dripping from that minor problem are gone. On to the next. I found that the oil leak at the rear was from seepage at the PTO shaft. I removed the PTO cover/ guard. Cleaned the shaft where there was a slight grove at the seal location. The seal was very dirty but intack. I cleaned the seal up. Then removed some of the shims that space out the cover. The idea was to move the seal to a slightly new position on the shaft. Well removing the shims tightened up the rotation of the shaft. But it also stopped the leak! So I think I will zip tie the PTO lever in the off position. I dont think we will need it for pulling. But the CA would be a great tractor on our buzz rig someday if needed. When I pulled the carb and reset the float, I thought that might help if I left the fuel on? Well I did and that did not stop it from flooding out the carb! I did weight the engine weights and with the hard ware each would be 90 lb.
Took the CA down the road in 4th gear and it runs good. Some minor steering moves to keep it headed straight. I think the incorrect steering arm makes it turn very quick, checked this at low speed only!:)
Hope things are good in orange land! Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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Posted: Yesterday at 7:57pm |
CA13414, I mentioned its one of my goals to have lights working on these. These came from Alex on the forum along with the tail light. They look correct and were ready to go. (side note maybe I will get at the D14 next to at least get the headlights working and maybe convert it to 12 volts also! This CA starts instantly! So nice!) I got the wheel weights on the rear. Thinking of getting the other set of rear IH weights cut in half too? Would be much easier to handle for sure! I need to see if my machine shop has an easy way to cut these IH weights. Would need another 500 lb. The engine weights plus the 2 more IH rear weights and a bunch of my 15 lb weights would be needed.
Still have the engine weights to wire brush prime and paint PO#1.
Regards, Chris and Cheryl
Edited by Sugarmaker - 23 hours 50 minutes ago at 8:03pm
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Posted: 28 Aug 2025 at 7:21pm |
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I like the headlights.
Wasn't sure if I wanted to install them on our CA. After seeing your CA, I think I will go ahead and sand blast the old lights and add them. Thanks!
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 28 Aug 2025 at 6:23pm |
Allis folks, Thanks for the support on this CA project. I took it for a 1/2 mile ride. Yep steering is stiff but manageable. Short arm, long arm is not the best combo. Valve cover gasket seems to be finally sealed up.
On the adhesive. I used trim adhesive to hold the material between the hood and gas tank. Worked well to not have that flopping around. Putting the sprung out hood on is really a two person job. Added some sealer to the coolant to slow down the leaking hose out of water pump. Some improvement to that leak. I removed the Zenith carb again and adjusted the float pontoons lower, hopefully shutting off fuel flow sooner. (A lot of Allis tractors must have the fuel shut off do to carb leaking). I have not tested the float adjustment, but I am sure I will forget to shut off the gas at some point. The CA starts very well. No choke or throttle required. Sounds good a all throttle positions. The replaced cam doesn't seem to have any negative changes to the sound/or performance of the engine. I did get the rear wheel weights cleaned up and painted the light cream color of the rims. Those four split IH weights should put the CA at about 2500 with me in the seat.
Regards, Chris and Cheryl
Edited by Sugarmaker - 28 Aug 2025 at 7:01pm
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Posted: 27 Aug 2025 at 9:46pm |
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Tractor looks great, for gaskets I usually use 3M yellow emblem adhesive or as we call it around here gorilla snot. Use sparingly only on the side you want to hold steady and easiest to clean off if ever needs to be removed. Dries pretty fast and is only there to keep gasket from moving, let the gasket do its sealing thing.
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Posted: 27 Aug 2025 at 8:34pm |
Sugarmaker wrote:
...It steers very firmly! No wobble in high gear on the road. Will work fine as a puller!... |
I was curious as to how that long arm/short arm combination would work
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Posted: 27 Aug 2025 at 8:20pm |
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Nice and looks great. Really love how it looks with the Decals.
Per "Steve in NJ," setting it by ear is the right thing.
Dan
Edited by CA13414 - 27 Aug 2025 at 8:26pm
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Posted: 27 Aug 2025 at 8:07pm |
Guys, I called Sandy lake and ordered a cork valve cover gasket. This OEM black rubber gasket thing doesn't seal at all!!! Oil running down both sides of the engine. I will have to take the hood off and on again! It really is a two person job on the hood install with the headlights on but loose. I also ordered a condenser for a mag. Said to be a better condenser?? Today I pulled the alternator and tried to goop up the leaking hose from the water pump, will see how that worked? Pulled the carb again and re set the float to close the needle valve sooner. Grandson and his boys came up and drove the CA a little. Seems to be running ok! Decals went on this morning. I don't like this mylar type as well as the single letter vinyl.
I will try to take off the hood and put the new cork valve cover gasket on. Does anyone glue these down?? Will also put the new condenser in the distributor. Have only been setting the timing by ear, turning the distributor till it sounds happy. It steers very firmly! No wobble in high gear on the road. Will work fine as a puller!
Regards, Chris and Cheryl
Edited by Sugarmaker - 27 Aug 2025 at 8:09pm
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Posted: 27 Aug 2025 at 3:21pm |
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Been reading about these new condensors going bad fast.
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Posted: 27 Aug 2025 at 6:15am |
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Glad it was an easy fix!
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Posted: 26 Aug 2025 at 8:07pm |
Guys, The continuing saga of the CA. I pulled it around to the other side of the shop. It started to run rough, like running out of gas. It was struggling for sure! Got it back in the shop. Retorqued the head and checked the valve lash again. Took the carb off and cleaned it again, put more gas in it. Removed sediment bowl and cleaned out the light stuff in the glass. Still did not run good at all. Pulled each plug wire while it was running and the very rough running did not change at all. Checked the valves again. Had run out of things and was afraid I had put something together wrong and it was coming apart! So I called a good friend since day one of first grade a Allis guy and a good mechanic too. He said the problem might be the condenser. I had just put a new one in. We talked about getting the rods in wrong on these engines. I drained the oil and was ready to pull the pan to check rod location/ direction/ offset. I could not remember checking that. I looked back through my pictures and remembered that I just marked the top of the pistons with a arrow and a number. I had never taken the piston and rods apart. So our son Eric was over for his moms birthday today and he was walking around the tractor listening to the story of the CA running rough all of a sudden today. And also what Ted had said. Eric said do you have another condenser? Yep, I put it in dumped the oil back in. And Fired it up. It ran fine! I could not believe it. I have never had a condenser fail like that. Learned something today! Eric took it for a ride down the road. He found his birthday numbers in a casting number on the side of the tranny!:)
Maybe the decals will jump on the CA tomorrow? I want to get some sulfur additive for the cam break in. we still need to get some time on the engine in next two weeks. Pull coming up at our local fair in mid September. Next is to clean up and paint the weights needed to get to 2500 lbs. Maybe even the 3000 lb class. Regards, Chris and Cheryl
Edited by Sugarmaker - 27 Aug 2025 at 5:59am
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Posted: 26 Aug 2025 at 7:47pm |
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Your oil pressure looks great!!!
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Posted: 26 Aug 2025 at 7:45pm |
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Awesome job! Looks great!!
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Posted: 26 Aug 2025 at 1:44pm |
That would be my thought also. Looks great, showroom ready.
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Posted: 26 Aug 2025 at 7:47am |
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Check and see if you’ve got too much oil in the oil bath air cleaner.
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It's the color tractor my grandpa had!
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Posted: 25 Aug 2025 at 8:37pm |
Guys, Thanks! Sparky, I welded in a sheet metal patch where the hand clutch was. I thought someone might get a small foot in there. I added some gas and friend John came over this morning turned on the gas, flipped the key and pulled the starter rod. It fired up. We weren't there. Got out to the shop in a half hour and started it several times today. Even took it out around the shop. All gears seemed to work. Brakes worked very well! Steering not great, stiff. Should work fine for pulling. Oil pressure was very good. Had a minor problem with the side hood bolts being too long. My fault. fan blades hit them and luckily did not do much damage. Got that fixed (Dodged a bullet on that fan thing, could have been way worse!). It seems to run pretty well. Have some oil coming out of the short hose from the air cleaner to the carb? Not sure what the cause is? Also have a leak at the upper edge of the hose from the water pump to steel tube. Pictures are coming! Tomorrow is Cheryl's birthday! Hoping to get the decals on tomorrow too.
Warmed it up at different rpm's, pulled valve cover and set valves to .012 inch.
I repainted the hood strap and the oil filler cap this afternoon and installed them this evening. The paint was too light, ok its not going to be perfect. Went around and touched up a bunch of areas that have been light and or missed or scuffed. Regards, Chris and Cheryl
Edited by Sugarmaker - 25 Aug 2025 at 8:53pm
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Posted: 25 Aug 2025 at 8:33am |
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I noticed the floor pan didn’t have a hand clutch lever notch. Did it ever have a hand clutch?
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It's the color tractor my grandpa had!
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Posted: 25 Aug 2025 at 7:14am |
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I agree, good work!!
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 9:14pm |
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Man, that looks great.Nice work!
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 8:38pm |
Guys, Almost there!
Tonight I completed the spark plug wires. Primed the oil pump. Got a new battery from Walmart. The old battery had been used on my electrolysis tank and it is pretty hard on them. It would spin the tractor and then die. Took a couple tests to determine it was not good under load. Oil pressure is at the N in normal with our running yet. Just cranking. I tried the hood. Looks like it will be ok when finally fit. Busy day tomorrow but may try to start the CA? Cheryl's birthday is Tuesday. I would like to have it running. I did try the lights and they worked. Some other shots:
I know the cable colors are not correct. But that is what NAPA had.
Luan cover to keep lid off the terminals
The silver bullet
Cheryl helping prime the oil pump. Crude set up but it worked!
Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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Posted: 24 Aug 2025 at 12:41am |
Mike, Folks, A little more of that too! I did leave the dash box in the lower position. I couldn't get the 5/16 nut on the back of the box. The Battery box bracket was in the way.
Remember this is only a Clean, Refurb, and Paint project. I have had the gas tank assembly on and off several times. I forgot I needed to run the wires in the tool box area. Headlights and tail light wiring is what's left to complete. Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 24 Aug 2025 at 12:44am
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Posted: 23 Aug 2025 at 11:13am |
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Looking good Chris. I like some black accents on an engine. Paint carburetors that way here too. Easy way to tell that I've been through them.
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Posted: 22 Aug 2025 at 8:08pm |
CA13414, folks, Well not sure its that good? Lets see if we can get it running and moving? Worked on the wiring a little tonight. We had a big day, we are old and will turn in a little early. Two of the Great Grandsons with the CA:
Prototyping the headlights
I have moved the dash box up a set of holes, I think its supposed to be at the higher position?
Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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Posted: 21 Aug 2025 at 8:29pm |
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Simply Spectacular!!!
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Posted: 20 Aug 2025 at 8:12pm |
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Looking great Chris! So much work goes into these projects, unless someone does one they have no idea the amount of work and love it takes to get them to this point. Good job, I can almost hear her roaring to life.
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Posted: 20 Aug 2025 at 7:58pm |
John, folks, The Carb came up on the list of things to do. It was very dirty and crusty inside and out. Several of the brass jets had already been messed up. I did not have new ones in the kit. So these were cleaned with carb cleaner and opened for fuel or air flow. Emulsion tube was removed and cleaned on this Zenith carb.
After some cleaning and yes I blasted the top and bottom of the carb. They were that bad. I mask areas during blasting. I had to rebuild the choke plate with the little spring loaded button. The button was froze up. I also put it together wrong. Couldn't figure out to get it back in for a couple tries. Lots of little details. I need a better seal for the main fuel screw.
I know the carbs are not supposed to be black, and the fuel line is supposed to be behind the air cleaner.
Yep a black distributor:
I need to make up the new spark plug wires. Then begin to set up the wiring for the rest of the tractor.
We did prototype the front engine side weights. All looks good. Kolten said these should be orange. The rear wheel weights need to be the cream color. Not sure how much weight will be needed?
Thanks for checking on us. Hope things are good in Orange Land! Regards, Chris and Cheryl
Edited by Sugarmaker - 20 Aug 2025 at 8:20pm
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Posted: 18 Aug 2025 at 11:56pm |
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This tractor sure is looking awfully shiny. I am looking forward to seeing it with decals!
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Posted: 18 Aug 2025 at 9:14pm |
Thanks for checking in guys! We took the Comet to a cruise in tonight in Erie at the Bay front. We did work on the CA some today also. And did a test fit of the Great grandson Kolten in the seat. I think he liked it!
Kolten got a new bike also. They will set this up for local racing.
On the CA I realized I needed the extension on the sediment bowl.
Oil lines in place
Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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Yes, I like Cheryl Ann 11
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