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    Posted: 17 Oct 2021 at 6:39pm
Friend has a Kubota MX5200. Engine ran away and he could only stop it by putting PTO in gear and getting off of seat.  Won't start now, it turns over and seems to have compression. Pump has a electric solenoid on it, it like rail system fuel delivery. Anyone out there have an idea what went wrong? Thanks, Tracy
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No, but why would you try to start it if you don't know why it ran away?  Is....the pto off now?
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If an oil seal blew in the turbo, if so equipped, that is a common cause.  I'd take the question to the kubota forum, link below...
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If he didn’t turn the pto off it won’t restart. Does the fuel solenoid move?
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Ryan, turned the pto off. I think it is a computer problem with the electronic firing of the injectors. The solenoid does shake some for a few seconds while electric lift pump does its stuff. After talking with some Kubota service techs today, I found that the wiring harness on the newer Kubota tractors have some bugs. There have been a few runaway engines on the MX5200's. The service techs seem to know very little other than wanting to swap engines. I wanted to know why this one ran away. Can't talk to anyone that has any common sense. I am going to stay after it just to have peace of mind. Yes, we are prepared to shut it off immediately if it tries another run away. Any help always appreciated. Thanks, Tracy
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Originally posted by DiyDave DiyDave wrote:

If an oil seal blew in the turbo, if so equipped, that is a common cause.  I'd take the question to the kubota forum, link below...

Dave, I had already thought of that, but after the seat switch and pto switch killed it, I think it is something else. Thanks for any help. It is always appreciated. Tracy
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I've never had a diesel, but was told that the easy to shut down a runaway diesel is to remove the rain cap on the air intake and put your hand over it to block off the air. That would starve it of air. 
I wonder how much vacuum there is, and what that would do to your hand? 
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never, never, ever use your hand, or a rag, etc. we used to keep a thick piece of plywood with a sheet of rubber on it to drop over the intake it one ran away
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Yeah...a board not your hand
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28 - 30 inches of vacuum is the most vacuum it can pull and that won't hurt your hand. I do agree a board works much better.                     MACK
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What causes a run away diesel? Broken fuel arm where it attaches to the throttle? Pump? You would think a computer these days would prevent it from happening. Have heard of it, but thankfully haven’t experienced it.
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Originally posted by AC720Man AC720Man wrote:

What causes a run away diesel? Broken fuel arm where it attaches to the throttle? Pump? You would think a computer these days would prevent it from happening. Have heard of it, but thankfully haven’t experienced it.
Various reasons.  As mentioned above, it frequently comes from the oil at the turbo, possibly anywhere else it could suck oil.  A diesel, especially warmed up good, can run on the oil, and since it's past the pump and governor and essentially "unlimited" supply, it will run away.
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LOL Now that is tractor forum scammer if ever I saw one. Cannot tell a car from a truck or a tractor as he rambles. LOL
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Especially since an Mx doesn’t have def.
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