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The lust for john deere??

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A buddy of mine is looking for a mounted mower to put behind his ford tractor to take care of his recently purchased property. He is looking for something around 6 foot. I am trying to lead him away from the bargain mowers you may find at the farm stores for something better. We have a Rhino brand we use and Woods is a great name also. Just for sh*ts and grins I checked out john deere mowers that were similar. I ABOUT FELL OVER!! Are they gold plated or wtf???? How can they justify those prices?? Ryan
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In 1995 we traded off a 1969 John Deere 4020. This tractor had the original bearings in the engine, the original transmission and the original rear end. It also had 37,000 hours on it. That's how John Deere gets those prices.
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I bought a new Woods brand finish mower 6' this past summer.Very happy with it so far.Paid about 600 to 700 more than the cheapies,but it is well worth it.Does a very good job and parts can be found easy
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That would mean it was used a minimum of 4 hours a day for every day of its ownership to come out to 37,000 hours. No days off and no hollidays .
Or 6 hours a day for 5 days every week over 26 years
 
If he is going to be using it just a few times a year or just doing small plot then the lower price units might be the best bang for the buck.


Edited by Coke-in-MN - 31 Dec 2010 at 9:55pm
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I bought my MX8 used....saved about $2000. I'm not looking forward to when it wears out (which it shouldn't)...... I've put a lot of hours on LandPride 6 foot mowers. They held up well and I got most of my money back when I sold them with around 400 hours on them.
 


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John Deere sucks!
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Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

John Deere sucks!
 
quite a statement,
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I have 3 John Deeres (4030,2440,350C Dozer) and they are really good tractors. But one thing that you find out quickly about a JD is that you are paying for the name and the green paint. For example, you could take a 80hp 4030 John Deere like ours and a 6080 AC with the same amount of hours and in the same condition and the John Deere would run you about 3-7 thousand more than the AC. The AC is just as good but the JD's definitely hold their values.

My dad wants a 2 cyl. JD and it don't take long to find out that you will be in big money. 

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we've had (though the years) case, international,john deere, & allis, i started the farm with allis chalmers when i took the farm over. reason? could get more tractor for the money and a better warranty than other brands! i still have some of my fathers IH tractors, got rid of the john deeres as they were to hard on fuel consumtion compared to allis, the case was traded off a few years before i took over. i still like case and IH, but i love the allis's. when i bought the first allis...brand new, the local john deere dealer's salesman drove out to my farm and called me an SOB for buying the allis over the john deere! that...ruined his chances of ever selling me anything from that dealer! well...that dealer is no longer in business! imagine that! must have done the same thing to other farmers in the area! i had tried to buy another piece of equipment and stopped at a john deere dealer in another town, they asked me what i had for equipment then...and i told them allis. they didn't even want to talk to me. soooo...i didn't buy that piece from john deere either! i remember dad trying to work with john deere dealers when he was farming, and unless he bought new every year, they treated him like chit too! i'll stay orange and red, i won't even drive into a john deere lot anymore!
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oh yeah...one more thing....they forget that it's MY money, and for ME to give it to them...they need to be a little more respectable! 
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See for yourself. I've used deere, landpride and rhino mowers, and i think the deere mowers are probly the toughest, although rhino's aren't bad either. Landpride seems like more of a light duty pasture mower type to me, just not quite as heavy but would be fine for triming weeds and stuff. Deere also sells the frontier line which is basically landpride painted an off color green.
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Deere usually runs at least two lines in small equipment.  My brother got a JD mower with a used Deere 750 a few years back.  The tractor has been great but the mower was built poorly and he ended up selling it with the small ford tractor he was replacing and keeping an old Woods that was built much better.
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I have had a WD for about 5 years now.  My first tractor and I love it.  I also bought a 5' brush mower at the Fleet in Bemidji.  I cost about $800.  I only mow about 4 - 5 acres and it works great for that.  I use it twice a year.  It is pasture and the horses don't eat the thistles and some other weeds so I polish things up with it.
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I purchased a new John Deere 8120 in 1991 .  I used it for eigth years and solld it for exactly what I paid for it.  That is a major reason why I buy John Deere equipment.
 
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I don't really know if it is lust. I think it is more about stability. Even the most avid JD haters have to admit that JD is a stable company. Now JD is cashing in on that stability by putting a premium price on their equipment. People that like stability cough up that extra premium cuz they think it is worth it.
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Coke-in-Mn, this 4020 started out as Dad's main tractor, then spent the last 15 years on the feed wagon, feeding cattle 6 hours a day seven days a week.
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well i have a buddy that has all of the 2 cylenders except a hwh (high crop h). he has an 830 rice special with a pony motor,a high crop g. 2 unstyled g's, styled g and almost everything else. thats alot of money. he wants a water loo boy, but he wont get one any time soon. he also has 2 steam engines: he has a keck gonnerman and a 1880's huber.
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Originally posted by Nathan (SD) Nathan (SD) wrote:

I don't really know if it is lust. I think it is more about stability. Even the most avid JD haters have to admit that JD is a stable company. Now JD is cashing in on that stability by putting a premium price on their equipment. People that like stability cough up that extra premium cuz they think it is worth it.

There you have it. 

In my area back in the late 70's we had a real good Allis dealer and he switched a number of John Deere farmers into Allis equipment. One of our best neighbors (they let Dad house and milk his cattle in their barns when Dad's barn burned in 76') were all John Deere but bought a new 7040 PS. The farmer loved it and it started better than his 4430 and 4630 so it got the winter chores. I remember his son's, who I idolized, hated this Allis because they were raised on John Deere. I would ride with them in the 7040 in the winter sometimes and they would rev it way up and dump the clutch to try to wreck it.
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Originally posted by bigal121892 bigal121892 wrote:

Coke-in-Mn, this 4020 started out as Dad's main tractor, then spent the last 15 years on the feed wagon, feeding cattle 6 hours a day seven days a week.

 I think you better ask your Dad if the tractor really never had any major work done to it cause it sounds a bit far fetched unless it had an overhaul or 2. How many cattle did he have to feed for 6 hours per day?
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  allis chalmers quit making 2 cylinders in the 30's  took deere 30 yrs to figure that out  who designed the 6 cyl. for deere ???  was not deere  you fellas are not old enough on some of the older stories we know  backed more than one deere lover up when i mention it   i got a $100.00 to bet where is yours???  end of conversation    had a deere farmer
 in this week that just a  caseih  for near &100,000 an larger than what deere jus priced him  deere thought he had him fooled too   wait till i drive it home  this was in mich
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Originally posted by norm[ind norm[ind wrote:

]  allis chalmers quit making 2 cylinders in the 30's  took deere 30 yrs to figure that out  who designed the 6 cyl. for deere ???  was not deere  you fellas are not old enough on some of the older stories we know  backed more than one deere lover up when i mention it   i got a $100.00 to bet where is yours???  end of conversation    had a deere farmer
 in this week that just a  caseih  for near &100,000 an larger than what deere jus priced him  deere thought he had him fooled too   wait till i drive it home  this was in mich

Was it Hercules? I know they used the Hercules for awhile in combines. 

I have a second guess but I think my second guess had more to do with Deere 2 cylinder diesels. My second guess is big and yellow today.
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Coke-in-MN, sometime in the late 80's the tractor had the sleeves/pistons replaced, and the head redone. At that time we were feeding about 12,000 head of cattle. So between feeding, cleaning yards, hauling bedding, the 4020 stayed busy.

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  you got me stated now  went to a plowday thi spring with my grandson's first time was plwing away told him to look aroumd HE SAID WHAT  LOOK AROUND ONLY ALLISCHALMERS & INT . IN OUR FEILD AS KEPT CATCHING THEM   THE DEERE ALL WENT TO ANOTHER FEILD  SO THEY WER BY THEMSELVES  ASKED WHY AT NOON
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Don't hold back bigal. LOL You forgot to say something here. I don't mean to offend you either but I have heard many like stories that it turns out when you dig there is more to it. I don't doubt that the 4020 was a good tractor. I've run one but this is an Allis forum so expect some grief. Good luck
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Originally posted by norm[ind norm[ind wrote:

]  you got me stated now  went to a plowday thi spring with my grandson's first time was plwing away told him to look aroumd HE SAID WHAT  LOOK AROUND ONLY ALLISCHALMERS & INT . IN OUR FEILD AS KEPT CATCHING THEM   THE DEERE ALL WENT TO ANOTHER FEILD  SO THEY WER BY THEMSELVES  ASKED WHY AT NOON
  NO ANSWER FROM  THEM    GOING BACK NEXT YR. TO  AGITATE AGAIN

If anyone here remembers (can't believe I forgot the guys name) at the LeSuer Pioneer Days they had a plowing area and this guy had a WD45 that he plowed with but the Deere folks told him to keep that little tractor out of the way if he was going to plow. He ended up waiting on big 720's and G's cause he would easily catch them. They ended up coming to him and telling him the plowing demo was going to shut down until the next day so he went to his display area with the 45. A couple hours later he looked and the Deere guys were out plowing by themselves. He just let them alone. I want to say his name was Dave ????????. He used to come into the Allis shop where I worked once in a while to gossip. That was 20 years ago and he's gone now. I'm sure there are people here that know who I'm talking about and know the details of the plowing demo that day. It's gonna bother me until someone tells me the name of this Allis man.
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The JD 350 I looked at was 2500 hours on it and when I ran it for demo I called it a BANG / SCREECH shifting process, jerk bang change direction, screech into other direction and then jerk bang shift again.
 asked salesman about it and then mentioned i had A AC HD5G and HD5B I was going to replace one of them he waved it off as well you have to expect a little noise form older tractor , until I mentioned both the AC had over 10,000 hours on them and ran smoother than the 350.
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Lon, if you read my original post, I said the the 4020 had the original bearings in the engine. Yes the top end had been overhauled. Since this tractor was used so much, we changed oil in the engine every 75 hours, and the rest of the oils every year. You have to remember, for most of this tractors life, it was never worked hard. We also had a 7010 that had 17,000 hours on it. This tractor had one overhaul, and that was due to electrolysis in the lower part of the block. Also on the 7010, every year we would pull the top off the differential, and replace the shaft that went through the spider gears. Over the years, we have found that this was the weak spot of the rear end of these tractors, especially if used during the winter as yard tractors.
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Was looking at the Brush Hog and the Squealer mowers at the MF / former AC dealer here locally but still wonder if the Mower sold by Fleet Farm would not work as good for the limited use I need.
 I have a 6' ford flail mower I use benind my IH 460 Industrial but it requires a lot of HP to run that mower for some reason . Would like to sell or trade it off and thats where might have to buy from dealer.
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Depends on what you like probably,my Uncle has a 4020,and it's a dang good machine,I won't pay the kind of money he did though,so I buy the value.
Seems like green tractors with the jumping critter on them and yellow feline machines cost quite a bit more,so I don't have any of those yet,but if one presents itself at a fair price I'll snag it too.

(those two brands also seem like the type you can put anyone on and they'll hold up,some other brands need to be run a certain way,by actual "operators")
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