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TomYaz ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10327 |
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Was told by Sandy Lake Implement that AGCO is pulling their dealer parts business.
Time to give AGCO hell! |
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If its not an All-Crop, it all crap!
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Calvin Schmidt ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Can. Points: 4529 |
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They told me a year and a half ago that when Agco pulled the whole goods contract, the parts contract was for two more years.
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29792 |
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I'm sure competitive dealerships lobbied to get the parts contract pulled. That how it was when I worked for a certain CaseIH dealer. They would, every time a Case rep showed his face, lobby to get contracts pulled from a small nearby dealership until it finally happened. They got them on giving a discount to independent shops. That's against Case policy. My dealership was doing the same thing but someone from my dealership got a hold of a receipt from the small dealer showing a discount to an independent shop and gave it to the rep and that's the excuse to pull the contract and not get sued. It's dog eat dog.
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Dale H. ECIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Paris, Il Points: 690 |
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Same thing happened here, my closest AGCO dealer WAS 40 miles away, they lost their contract, now closest AGCO dealer is over 100 miles away.
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Clay ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Udall, Kansas Points: 9691 |
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And they wonder why there are so many foreign equipment companies and JD dealerships doing well. HEY AGCO!!!!!!!!!!!! Pull your head out our your A$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nathan (SD) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Day County SD Points: 1274 |
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This whole AGCO thing is kinda like watching the town drunk stumble around on a Sat night.
Stumbling around in a unconcious daze with a smile on his face, not listening to anyone telling him that he is making bad choices, but you know one of these times he will make the final wrong move and it will all be over, and he will be the only one that didn't see it coming.
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Seth Souerdike ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Cutler Indiana Points: 4113 |
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never been to found of AGCO -.-
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There are no atheist in foxholes.
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Longmeadow Farm ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 30 Jul 2011 Location: Eastern NY Points: 321 |
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I have the opposite situation. My local Agco is periodically pricing AGCO parts above list. I got a hydraulic coupler quote at 48 bucks and when the bill came through it was 54 bucks with no explanation, except "it is what it is"..or something similar. This is not the first time I've noticed the "surcharge". An AGCO dealer 50 miles away is somewhat inconvenient but sells at list or below... I guess they will not be around long either. Similar part from JD was 42 bucks.... been replacing hydraulic couplers that show some wear. I've heard of Sandy Lake Equipment and of their excellent reputation. I suspect they will survive, good people usually do. On the other hand there is AGCO...
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Coke-in-MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41820 |
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The UP-pricing isn't anything new , when I had bought new parts for my HD4 from a dealer in Bloomington MN they seemed high.
Found out the dealer added 10% or 20% plus shipping to most parts. I went out to Herc-U-Lift and ordered parts at book price as they said that markup was in price and it was a fair profit already and any dealer that added was going against policy of company..
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Byron WC in SW Wi ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 1635 |
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A lot of bigger companies than AGCO have fallen. I'm not convinced AGCO can make it without buying another company and purging them for profit. I think AGCO has some good products but the upper management is beyond hope.
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DonDittmar ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: MIllersburg, MI Points: 2505 |
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Maybe all forum members need to chip in, we will but out AGCO, drop Massey, Fire up the forges in West Allis, and start building real equipment again Maybe keep Rich on as a janitor
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David(Stockbridge)MI ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Stockbridge MI Points: 536 |
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Last time they put Sandy Lake on the chopping block 10-12 years ago some one posted an email address to someone at the top at AGCO and most everyone on the site sent a nasty gram about how good Sandy Lake was and how bad the idea was to take away their parts business that they end up still in the Allis parts buniness. Might need to do it again if some one can track down who to send our thoughts to. David
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Brian Jasper co. Ia ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
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Josh Day ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Indiana Points: 3427 |
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I try to get all my parts from Sandy lake. It sounds like Agco isn't makeing enough $$$ on the old AC parts,do you guys think, it is going to hard to get parts in the next year or so?
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AllisChalmers37 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jul 2010 Location: London,KY Points: 1846 |
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This really makes no sense. How does AGCO think they can make money when they keep going against what the consumer wants and they keep removing their products from dealerships??? I mean you could ask a group of middle school kids if they thought this was a good plan and they would tell you no.
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Josh Day ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Indiana Points: 3427 |
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Edited by Josh Day - 09 Mar 2012 at 5:12pm |
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Ted J ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18923 |
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I know that I have been very glad that Sandy lake has been there for us in the past. I am hoping that they chime in here and tell us if we can help in any way.
The idiots at corporate should be doing as I have been doing for the last few nights, reading the book: "An Industrial Heritage, Allis-Chalmers Corporation" written by Walter F Pederson, Ph.D. President, University of Dubuque. The mistakes they continue to make..... |
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Chris/CT ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niantic, Ct Points: 1939 |
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Very sad note. I believe they [SLI] knew it was only a matter of time. This is what the world is coming to, No grace and compassion for the regular, hard working, folks. They will have to figure out how to re-invent there business to keep going, or ??
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mtanut ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: sandy lake, pa Points: 545 |
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They are selling LS tractors. They also have used parts and aftermarket stuff too. Keep in mind though the experience is still there, and Bill just got a new pup for the chief of security position, so they will be around. Now I am gonna rant, The thing that really burns my butt is AGCO figures everyone will flock to the nearest MF dealer, and guess what, people are not. Why would I go somewhere that has no Allis experience? I will buy used parts and aftermarket and AGCO can go pound a stump. There is a green dealer, a red dealer, a blue dealer, and ls at SLI. These are all within 15 miles from here, the MF is 30 miles away. AGCO really has no clue how many customers they are loosing, what a bunch of jackasses. Edited by mtanut - 09 Mar 2012 at 6:29pm |
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I have a 185 Allis, 6060 Allis, Model K gleaner, SMTA ferg 35, ferg 20 (paps first tractor, Allis B (wife's)John Deere 240 skid loader and a bunch of the usual farm stuff.
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WC7610 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Sioux City, IA Points: 764 |
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Guys, The problem is that the majority of us on here with our WC's and WD's buying a few parts isn't moving the needle for AGCO's business. They are after the 20,000 acre farms and have written the rest of us off as the hobby farmers we are...
That said, I have had excellent service from SLI for the last 15 years and very sorry to see this happen...
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ACmowerguy ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Apr 2010 Location: Winfield, MO Points: 1210 |
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Even in the mid 90's AGCO was getting tired of the "parts only" dealers, I have a 9000 series intro Video and Ratliff and Scheumeda (sp?) discussed keeping orange dealers going, selling new "Allis" tractors, not just parts. The difference between then and now is these men are gone and the company doesn't care about anything orange anymore and they don't have an orange wholegood to sell. Edited by ACmowerguy - 09 Mar 2012 at 10:27pm |
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Fred in Pa ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Hanover Pa. Points: 9210 |
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Some just do not understand . Edited by Fred in Pa - 10 Mar 2012 at 6:15am |
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LionelinKY ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Radcliff,KY Points: 695 |
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They're all doing it these days. Make parts obsolete sooner. If aftermarket can't supply, then it is that much sooner you'll be forced to walk through someone's door to buy new. This is how they plan to stimulate economy. No parts to keep older units operating means more newer units sold. Going through same thing with Ford/Mercury right now.
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"My name is Lionel and I'm an Allisoholic"
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Dale-OH ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SW OHIO Points: 905 |
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AGCO is not the only company doing this, JD is the one who started closing dealers. I talked to a JD dealer not to long ago whose family has been with JD since the 40's and have a very healthy business in both New Machinery and parts. He got a letter from JD a month or so ago that told him to sell to his neighbor by a certain date or his contract will be pulled. In the corporate world it is all about numbers, all of the corporations we deal with here at the dealership operate the same way and believe me AGCO is by FAR not the worst.
I also hate to hear that SLI is loosing there contract, I have not had any direct dealings but they have always been very helpful on this site and always friendly at the shows that I see them.
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Fred in Pa ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Hanover Pa. Points: 9210 |
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If you have Parts only Store for Agco ,JD etc. .You are not going to sell as many parts as you would selling the equipment they fit.Just parts store's are the reason we have the Great vendor's that are here on the fourm.Think of the money they spend to have parts made for your old tractor and all the time getting to that point of having them made (for the parts that aftermarket dose not have ).Then selling the part at a reasonable price and try to make a little money to live on.On top of the one's that would cry about the price even if you give it to them just for the shipping.Even though I have a Tractor repair business ,I do not want a store front for selling parts I am a dealer for most of aftermarket Company's ,and Major Engine etc. parts and if I can not get it ,I just get it here ,saves me from having 100's of accounts .
Change is all around us ,we just have to move on .Go to GM and get parts for your 66 chevy and see how many come right from GM and will not be a aftermarket part in a GM BOX.For more money then the aftermarket parts store.My one cent for the day. Edited by Fred in Pa - 10 Mar 2012 at 9:31am |
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randy ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 1206 |
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Prety luckey here, good AGCO dealer 25 miles away and a good shop 4 miles away that can get about any parts i need for 7000 and 8000 series.
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redline ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Collins, IA Points: 1013 |
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I find the differences in different brands interesting. The Green and Red and AGCO companies are all about streamlining and getting rid of dealers, meanwhile, Kubota and other brands from other countries are setting up dealers on every corner. Now, do you suppose there is any correlation between who is gaining and who is losing business share by adding or removing customer service, convenience and presence? I see the AGCO, Deere and CNH companies as being penny wise and pound foolish. They will penny pinch themselves right out of business. I admit it will take awhile for CNH and Deere to go down, but AGCO isn't in a position to lose any more customers.
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If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done!
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NickT(Ky) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elizabethtown, Points: 417 |
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I agree with you Redline. Dealers for Kubotas and Mahindras popping up everywhere.
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ACmowerguy ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Apr 2010 Location: Winfield, MO Points: 1210 |
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I had seen mahindra make the claim they are already number one. As far as US row-crop agriculture, I don't think Mahindra will ever gain much market share. They don't have implements, high horsepower tractors or Combines. Kubota will likely stay away from large harvesting equipment too. These companies do best with acreage owner/hobbiests and thats just what they're doing. |
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8254 |
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It is funny the foriegn compition picks up what the big American companies let slide thru their fingers , just like the AUTO industry ; the market is there but if its not big dollar they let it slide and someone else adds up the small things and it adds up to big dollars ; after reading thru some ALLIS CHALMERS annual reports i have , the mighty AC was closing dealers , pulling contracts in the 80,s cause of slow moving business- consolidating to build mega dealers , but themselves got caught up in a financial mess that couldnt be resolved
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