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JonEinNE 
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Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 7:23pm |
I own a 1950 WD. Great tractor - I rebuilt the engine with help from this forum a few years ago.
The left rear tire finally cracked out - it's done. I bought a used tire, rim, and center (tire is 80%). The used tire/rim/center I assembly has the center nearly all the way 'out' - if it was on the tractor the tire track would be as narrow as possible.
I have a New Idea trip bucket/loader on my tractor - which means I need the rear wheels adjusted nearly all the way out (wide) so that they don't interfere with the loader framework.
I need to rotate the center of the 'new' tire assembly out while its off the tractor.
The 'new' tire assembly is filled with fluid so I'm hesitant to lay it down because I no way of tipping it back up - I don't have another tractor.
I tried to rotate the center while it was standing up and couldn't do it (the eccentrics are released)
Does anybody have any suggestions on how to rotate the center with the rim/tire off the tractor?
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AaronSEIA
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Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 7:39pm |
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Put the tractor in 1st, stand on opposite brake and slowly let the clutch out. May need to use reverse depending on which way the rim needs to move. Put the rim stop in where you want it to stop, then put the other one behind it when you have the rim spun out. There are videos on YouTube showing it done as well.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 7:39pm |
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I'm surprised you can't turn it.They are quite loose with ecentrics unlocked.Spray some slippem on the rails?You can bolt wheel up wrong side out....
It don't have the locks on the rails does it?
Edited by SteveM C/IL - 22 Nov 2016 at 7:40pm
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Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 7:42pm |
 AaronSEIA wrote:
Put the tractor in 1st, stand on opposite brake and slowly let the clutch out. May need to use reverse depending on which way the rim needs to move. Put the rim stop in where you want it to stop, then put the other one behind it when you have the rim spun out. There are videos on YouTube showing it done as well.
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The wheel is not on the tractor....
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Michael V (NM)
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Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 7:44pm |
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You may hafta loosen the 8 bolts that hold the rim clamps to the rim, even with the eccentrics loose they don't move very easy
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JonEinNE
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Posted: 22 Nov 2016 at 7:50pm |
I don't have the locks on - checked that. Bolting the wheel on backwards is a great idea. I'm assuming I can just do the 'automatic' process with the tractor in reverse.
I bolted a long bar (1-1/4 x 3/16 square tubing) across the bolt holes to use a 'wrench' to turn the center while the wheel is standing up and wiggles like it's loose but it binds up and won't slide down the guides.
I'll try the backwards idea.
Any other suggestions?
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Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 8:17am |
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Other than taking the center half way out, the best would be to do it backwards. They don't slide easy at all when off the tractor, almost impossible. Maybe when they were new? I'd bolt it on backwards and do it. Remember, backwards...........so in is out and vice versa...
Otherwise, you should be able to take 2 of the eccentrics out and slide it to where you want it and then put them back in. This might be the easier of the two ways to do it. You don't have to take the rim back off of the wheel again and turn it around. Watch your fingers.....
Edited by Ted J - 23 Nov 2016 at 8:19am
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Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 9:08am |
I'd tie the tire to something solid before horsing around on the wheel center, ~500-ish pounds is a lot to stop when it is falling on you.
An air impact makes doing these adjustments off the tractor a lot easier.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 11:38am |
1) Bolt the wheel on the tractor with the outside of the wheel center facing in towards the hub. Then use the tractor to run it in a bit. 2) If you can not do #1 then use a hammer and tap the wheel around. 3) If #2 does not work then take two of the eccentrics
bodies off and rotate the wheel center.
4) if #3 does not work then keep taking eccentrics bodies off until you can move the center.
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Thanks & God Bless
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Lon(MN)
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Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 11:56am |
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Put the wheel on the tractor. You can walk the tire and wheel under the final. Works best on concrete floor. Have done it many times.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2016 at 8:50pm |
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These are heavy! Be careful what ever you do.on my D17 with the wheel off and standing up. I used a cherry picker to support the tire/rim/center while I took the wheel center out and loosened the eccentrics and then put the center back in. If you have the eccentrics loose that should be most of the battle. This is not a delicate matter. You may need some brute force if the center has not moved on the rails for a while.
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Chris
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Posted: 24 Nov 2016 at 7:01am |
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I agree with Sugarmaker. That is how I hung the wheels on the 170. Yes you need a good floor and some extra room to manuever but seems to be the safest. I also sprayed lube on the rails. This also worked well when the accountant and I swapped wheels on two tractors with 18.4 38s
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