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Wil M (NEIA) View Drop Down
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    Posted: 06 Nov 2011 at 5:18pm

Tried to plow corn stalks with my 3 bottom WD plow late this afternoon and kept plugging up with corn stalks.  I used my disc and disced the field 6 different ways to try and break the stalks up before I ever tried to plow.  I wonder if I may not have my coulters set correct? I turned over a nice furrow but the stalks just kept bunching up around the top of the plow.  My coulters look to be set about 3 to 4 inches above the top of the front of the plow lay.  Haven't had a chance to check my manual.  Thought I would ask here first if this is correct or not.

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Edited by Wil M (NEIA) - 06 Nov 2011 at 8:15pm
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I don't understand what you mean that you have your coulters set 3 to 4 inches above the front coulter.
 
When the plow is in the ground at plowing depth the coulters need to be in th eground 2 to 3 inches in line or to the outside of the landside an inch or so. They have to be deep enough to cut thru the stocks. If you disc the ground that deep when chopping the stocks it will not work real well. The stocks will then tend to push ahead of the coulters rather than cut thru them.
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the stalks should have been shredded the disk them into the ground 
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or try bush hogging the field next time, before plowing.
Sometimes the coulters just won't cut the stalks.
 
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I ran into pretty much the same yesterday. I have the coulters set about like Dick says and still got some pretty good balls. I was pulling a 52 series 2-14 plow that I have been using on my CA behind the D17D. More speed seemed to make less plugging, but I thought I was throwing dirt too far in 3rd high. 3rd low was about the same speed as the faster guys were running, a Farmall M with 4 bottoms and an LA Case with 4 bottoms. I didn't look to see if they were 14's or 16's. As expected, the D17 didn't know anything was hooked to it 98% of the time.
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The CA probably could have pulled the 2-14 in 3rd most of the time there...
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Set the coulters down closer to the plow points. Then stop every quarter mile and kick the building corn stalk ball out of the plow. Some plows are bad at plugging with corn stalks and only chopping the corn stalks before plowing will slow plugging. its a lot easier to kick the stalks out before the get solid than after they plug enough to lift the plow.

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Originally posted by Dick L Dick L wrote:

I don't understand what you mean that you have your coulters set 3 to 4 inches above the front coulter.
 
When the plow is in the ground at plowing depth the coulters need to be in th eground 2 to 3 inches in line or to the outside of the landside an inch or so. They have to be deep enough to cut thru the stocks. If you disc the ground that deep when chopping the stocks it will not work real well. The stocks will then tend to push ahead of the coulters rather than cut thru them.
Sorry for the confusion.  I didn't proof read my post as I was in a hurry to get the girls to a 4H meeting.  The coulters are about 3 to 4 inches above the front of the plow lay point. when the plow is out of the ground.
 
I am not sure I understand what you mean about "if you disk the grond that deep when chopping the stocks it will not work real well."
 
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Edited by Wil M (NEIA) - 06 Nov 2011 at 8:25pm
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Stalks now days are way heavier, with 200 bushel corn, than when these old plows were built and used. They are also tougher and taller. I have had trouble in heavy stalks after they were chopped good. It was like plow a feather mattress. At our working fall show this year most everybody was having trouble plugging in bean stubble. The best thing to do for a plowing show is to chop the stalks and get somebody in there with a big round baler to remove the stalks. If you can't bale them off, at least chop them with a flail chopper first before discing once. 
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If I was going to plow I would not disc first. Tie a piece of #9 wire on plow frame to just infront of mowlboard, about 6' long to cover stocks.  MACK
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If the disc was run over the ground that much and has the ground loose to the depth you have the coulters set the stocks will tend to push ahead of the coulters rather than cut thru them. Stocks are tuff to cut with anything running over them. If the ground is solid and the coulters are cutting 2 or 3 inches deep the stocks will get cut as it slices into the solid dirt rather than push the stocks down into the loose dirt rather than cut them which causes the stocks to push dirt while mixing them with the loose dirt making a fun project of pulling the stocks out of the loose dirt under the plow.
If that is the case I would forget the plow and use a field cultivator to stir the stocks in at plow depth.
 
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 I had the same problem with my 4 bottom 80 series behind the D19. I got sick of unplugging the plow so i removed the colters. It didn't stop the plugging up but it didn't plug up as often.                    Matt
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i you are plowing cross ways from your disk path....that's the problem, if you disk before you plow, make sure you disk the same direction that you will pull the plow thru!
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Originally posted by Dick L Dick L wrote:

If the disc was run over the ground that much and has the ground loose to the depth you have the coulters set the stocks will tend to push ahead of the coulters rather than cut thru them. Stocks are tuff to cut with anything running over them. If the ground is solid and the coulters are cutting 2 or 3 inches deep the stocks will get cut as it slices into the solid dirt rather than push the stocks down into the loose dirt rather than cut them which causes the stocks to push dirt while mixing them with the loose dirt making a fun project of pulling the stocks out of the loose dirt under the plow.
If that is the case I would forget the plow and use a field cultivator to stir the stocks in at plow depth.
 
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Thanks Dick. Sounds like I may have just entered that school:-)  I seem to remember way back when that sometimes we would disc stalks before we plowed.  I went out and tried to plow in one spot before I hooked onto the disk thinking that I should disk this before I plow and I plugged up in 5 feet.  I was able to go about 20 feet after disking before I plugged.  I will adjust my coulters down and see if that helps.  Last year I plowed bean stubble and did not disk it before I plowed and still had some trouble plugging up so I may just not have things adjusted correct. 
How does this wire that I keep hearing about work.  Where do you connect it, place it, and does it just drag along on the ground or ???
 
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Try sharpinin them coulters.
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I plowed at a plow day with many makes and models of plows. It was in the spring and plowing down corn stalks. Everyone was having trouble plugging up but me. I was plowing with my G. That concave coulter on the G plow sure makes a difference.

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we run wavey coulters like a notill planter that forcecs them to cut insted of pushing
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