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John m 
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Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 7:59pm |
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Looks like a 166 inverter would be nice to have. Lost a couple final cuts of alfalfa on small fields, I think one of those could have been the ticket. Regardless of what the nay sayer thinks.
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 6:38pm |
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You didn't answer my question. Are they still putting up 30,000 small bales per year and squeezing tits by hand? |
No TEA Bagger, SADLY the former "TRUE " dairy farmers have gone by the way of the "DODOO BIRD"  !! The issue/question is ....... WHY is this "implement" required  ??
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Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 12:15pm |
Tbone95 wrote:
You didn't answer my question. Are they still putting up 30,000 small bales per year and squeezing tits by hand? |
Apparently he's moved on. So many drive by's, so little time.
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Posted: 08 Apr 2022 at 7:15am |
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You didn't answer my question. Are they still putting up 30,000 small bales per year and squeezing tits by hand?
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Posted: 07 Apr 2022 at 5:25pm |
Tbone95 wrote:
Made myself money.....is that a bad thing to do on a farm?
"Without laying a hand on a bale"....that would be entirely wrong. We still make a good bit of square bales for selling.
Does that dairy farmer still put up small squares, with just a sickle bar mower, and a rake and baler? Is he still squeezing tits by hand? Doubt it.
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No offense TBag, just an observation "here" on 5 dairy farms that I helped put up (between the 5) 30,000 bales/year !! No "inverter/tedder" required  !! BTW, our first cuttings went into the silos  !! Horse farmers were like looked upon "here" as mooches 
Edited by FREEDGUY - 07 Apr 2022 at 5:29pm
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Posted: 07 Apr 2022 at 6:54am |
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When it dries up around here I will go take a look at the used equipment dealer down the road. He has 3 of them, they are hard to find around here, I will probably end up dragging one home. Kind of interested in the mid price level model 166 he has. If it saved a couple of crops of hay it would pay for itself, and they don't take up that much room in the shed. But, it's still snowing as of today, and more forecast for next week. |
I was thinking of your "economics" last night......4-500 bales of second cutting put up well because you were able to go pays for it! Pretty quick payback in my opinion.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 7:57pm |
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When it dries up around here I will go take a look at the used equipment dealer down the road. He has 3 of them, they are hard to find around here, I will probably end up dragging one home. Kind of interested in the mid price level model 166 he has. If it saved a couple of crops of hay it would pay for itself, and they don't take up that much room in the shed. But, it's still snowing as of today, and more forecast for next week.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 1:44pm |
 Those that can, produce something those that cannot talk about it. 
Make the most perfect hay possible, horse people be crazy. Never has the local hay crop looked so short. Already oat, barley wheat mixed hay is at $30 bale (3 string 100 lbs bale) very comparable in price to Timothy, or orchard grass from Oregon or Washington here. Find a guy bring empty container to California port and fill it with hay.$$$$$ 
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 7:02am |
Made myself money.....is that a bad thing to do on a farm?
"Without laying a hand on a bale"....that would be entirely wrong. We still make a good bit of square bales for selling.
Does that dairy farmer still put up small squares, with just a sickle bar mower, and a rake and baler? Is he still squeezing tits by hand? Doubt it.
Idiot.
Edited by Tbone95 - 06 Apr 2022 at 7:11am
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Posted: 05 Apr 2022 at 8:03pm |
KEEP talking FreeGAS... I LOVE to see you open your mouth and prove your an IDIOT..
You do the same thing in the Political Section... NO DATA, NO FACTS... Just like to hear yourself talk..... and keep racking up them 4900 POSTS !! |
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Posted: 05 Apr 2022 at 7:19pm |
Tbone95 wrote:
What’s your friggin’ problem?
Yeah, we put up 15000 plus squares per year. That literally is TONS. A lot of it was excellent. And now it’s easier to get it dry with a handy machine.
Do you know how to manage weather? You should be a zillionaire if you do.Between the dairy farmer that I personally worked for and his brother that shared haying/silage equipment, we put up over 30,000 small squares/season WITHOUT an inverter !! Asshole. |
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Posted: 05 Apr 2022 at 7:14pm |
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Posted: 05 Apr 2022 at 6:07pm |
Yeah my operation is a small hobby farm too, I'm trying to justify spending 3 grand on one of these things. I almost have myself talked in to it. I do it for the love of it, if I make a little money that is a bonus. And some day when I'm done, I (or my wife if I kick the bucket) will have a lot of junk to sell.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 10:11pm |
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We have always used a NH roller bar rake. As “hobby farmers” we use what we have. 6 years ago, dad bought his last piece of new equipment, a Enrossi Vortex 4 basket Tedder. It has tremendously helped us dry hay. Our old NH rake still does the duty of wind rowing the hay for baling. Bumping the hay at about half way in the rake seams to be a sweet spot for us. The Tedder has been a huge improvement for our small farm, and only wish we had it when when we farmed 200+ acres. I’ve been impressed with mergers, high wheel rakes ,but will never see one on our operation unfortunately. I’m ok with old school, it works for small farms.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 9:05pm |
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I have a 3 wheel rake attachment I can mount to the left frame of a narrow front tractor, has adjustable pitch and raises up hydraulically. Have to drive just right to flip the windrow properly, but it is a little faster ground speed wise than the NH inverter, (if the field isn't to rough), and a good excuse to use one of the nf tractors, If it is breezy when using it, the windrow can flip back like it was, just like with a rake, where the inverter completely flips the windrow over, and it stays that way.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 8:14pm |
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Can a big wheel rake with just one single wheel: do a good job of inverting a windrow?
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Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 5:40pm |
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He's a steering wheel holder. Armchair quarterback. Backseat driver. Probably never had to make any decisions on his own concerning the farm, or take the financial hit in the lean years. Daddy probably took care of all that.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 11:07am |
Tbone95 wrote:
What’s your friggin’ problem?
Yeah, we put up 15000 plus squares per year. That literally is TONS. A lot of it was excellent. And now it’s easier to get it dry with a handy machine.
Do you know how to manage weather? You should be a zillionaire if you do.
Asshole. |
One thing to remember, at least you are still farming. He is not, which come to think of it, makes it seem like your invertor did the job. Maybe if he had one, he would be farming instead of just driving by his dads farm.
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Making a living farming with and working on Allis Equipment
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Posted: 04 Apr 2022 at 9:40am |
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We have similar "dew" issues here at times. We alwasy did hay for YEARS without an inverter and made good hay, but the inverter is nice. I also have to realize that we used to be able to "cheat". We chopped about 1/2 of our hay into the solos. If rain was coming and we know it couldn't dry, we chopped it or if it got rained on and couldn't dry, we chopped it. The cows didn't care much once it fermented in the silo. It different now that everything we make must be bailed. I imagine a lot of the old farms were the same way.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 8:24pm |
What’s your friggin’ problem? Yeah, we put up 15000 plus squares per year. That literally is TONS. A lot of it was excellent. And now it’s easier to get it dry with a handy machine. Do you know how to manage weather? You should be a zillionaire if you do. Asshole.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 5:13pm |
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Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 8:37am |
IDK, what did you pay for it, then I’ll have a better idea!
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Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 8:14am |
Howdy, How about Allis Chalmers hay rake in 1951? No number, just called side delivery rake. Has two raking speeds and reverse tedding speed! Just picked one up. This thing is iron. Any idea what these go for?
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Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 8:07am |
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I would love to be done or nearly done with dry hay. It is SUCH a battle with the dew and humidity. We live close enough to the big water that the wind can shift mid afternoon and shut you right down. And the weather apps suck, I wasn’t alive in the 1800’s but I have a hunch forecast accuracy was about the same. I’ll NEVER forget two years ago, beautiful second cutting so close to ready to go. Sent my daughter out for an hour head start inverting. It was supposed to rain that coming night. But no rain for the next 4 hours, and 0, yes 0% chance of rain for the next hour. Hitched up baler and wagon drove to the field. Baled about 15 minutes and the rain blew in!!! Infuriating, would have been better to let it lay. Any luck in the next couple years, will be wrapping silage bales.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 7:33am |
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I put up tons of loose hay in my youth but I doubt that it will catch on with the big farms nowadays... ;-)
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Posted: 03 Apr 2022 at 6:23am |
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Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 7:49pm |
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There was also tons of hay that spoiled. Hay inverters are just another tool that was invented to help prevent it. If New Holland didn't see a place for such a machine they wouldn't have marketed one. |
It was just a "HERE" observation, I see your climate could be a different animal.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 7:45pm |
Haymaking is gambling addiction disguised as a challenge. Getting the labor out and the productivity up and preserving as much feed value/quality as is there at the time hay is mowed is the objective. Almost every hay tool has a unique situational advantage. Inverters fit this as there are times they are just the exact right thing and other situations they will be the wrong thing. Nothing else will flip a windrow like an inverter. A parallel bar rake or wheel rake can flip windrows that are wet on bottom but an inverter will do it better. Justifying the purchase is in the eyes of the beholder. I don't own one but know people that rely on them for certain situations. One windrow at a time might limit productivity and therefore usefulness for some operations.
Seems "ODD" that there were TONS of hay put up in the '70's/'80's WITHOUT an "INVERTER"  !! No telling the feed value lost from hay baled too wet and the man hours spent per ton. As a nation we tend to be able to keep enough feed made good enough and stored good enough for the herd no matter the year. Sometimes you don't know until you try new things.
We got into round bale silage and the most striking thing is baling straight out of a windrow laid by a mower conditioner how few leaves are on the ground and how the crop and machinery are off the field letting the regrowth begin. The waste in storage is low and the cattle clean the racks with the least refusal. The cost of the wrapper and plastic is recovered easily and there is no barn needed for storage.
To speed up the process I reluctantly bought a Krone 22 foot rotary side delivery rake. It cost more than I liked but the productivity in wet or dry hay put this operation in a much better position to recover the optimum value out of the standing crop. This rake puts four 11 foot mower passes into one windrow for my 5 x 6 baler. An unexpected benefit has been the that the dry baled hay seems to keep in the bale better with way less heat damage when compared to our former process using a v wheel rake. I loved the v wheel rake and it was right for us at the time but the rotary rake is better for keeping soil out of the hay or silage. The better dry down and less heat damage was a pleasant surprise.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 7:08pm |
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There was also tons of hay that spoiled. Hay inverters are just another tool that was invented to help prevent it. If New Holland didn't see a place for such a machine they wouldn't have marketed one.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2022 at 6:11pm |
Seems "ODD" that there were TONS of hay put up in the '70's/'80's WITHOUT an "INVERTER" !!
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!! Like I said, TONS put in the mow "WITHOUT" the machine 