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Mounting rear tires always scares me...

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Eldon (WA) View Drop Down
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    Posted: 28 Mar 2012 at 9:41pm
so today I lubed up the bead with Dawn and  rolled the 18.4 x 28 to the other side of the skid loader, attached the clip on tire inflator thingy and retreated to the barn to wait for the "pop".  Never  did hear it, but decided I'd better stop and deflate (I can unhook the hose at the compressor and it will let the air backflow). Checked a few minutes later and the old tire had seated. I would take it to the tire shop, but if they see even a little crack they won't mount them.......
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Tube type tires rarely give you the same pop the tubeless type do. And you probably only needed 12lbs to get a tractor tire on. I have had some 44lbs car tires that needed almost 60lbs to finally push on cuz I didn't lube them enough.

Yes, tire shops seem to look for any excuse to sell you a new tire. I rarely go in one anymore. Has to be a total freak emergency.
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ya'll ever use starting fluid to mount yer tires? whew! the dude that rents one of our other houses does it all the time mounting semi tires! 
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i use starting fluid all the time i use a log chain with a spring lock and go around the tire and wheel 
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my neighbor has a prtable air tank that has a big ball valve added and a piece of 2" pipe on it smashed down(like an early C muffler) that we use to set the bead on his semi tires.  1 big shot of air and no either.  Not sure if it would be enough to seat the tractor tires or not
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CaseIH dealer where I was a parts man used ether to mount tubeless tires. Worked real good. I tried it once too and it worked great.

After having a friend killed by an exploding truck tire I might see why a garage might be cautious about what tires they mount. But that was a split rim type too.
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  Larry, that air tank is called a bead cheetah, we have one where I work. The boss decided to get one after waching us seat a few with ether, it made him nervous.

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Most tire shops won't mount a cracked or otherwise damaged tire because their insurance tells them not to.  If one of the public has a wreck because of a blown tire the person or the persons relatives can go back and say they mounted a faulty tire.  Its not always to sell a tire !!  Even though the customer asks for the tire mounted our wonderful lawyers and legal system still blames the tire shop.  I'm not a tire dealer but in my business there are several things I used to do that I don't anymore because of liability.
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Had the tire shop service truck mount two 30.5 x 32 tires yesterday. The beads and tires were well lubricated and there was NO pop. The tires slowly slide onto the bead of the rims with about 18 psi. Was a little nervous because the rims were widened in our shop using the originial 21" rims and adding a second double drop from a combine rim. I call the rims my new double double. It was not our first rim widening project.

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Alot of ag rims dont have the big ridge near the outer edge of the rim that most  automotive rims have.  Its that ridge that the tire has to jump over that makes the pop.  Ag tires just seem to fit a lot more snug hence the need to used wedges and bars to change them.  Once they start to move they usually just fall off.  Usually.Wink
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I can't see how you could use either the "Bead Cheetah" or the starting fluid on tube type tires.
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Back in the late 70's, a report of a fatality at an AC dealership crossed my desk.  A young guy was mounting a tractor tire and was standing on the wheel while air was being applied to the tire.  The tire blew and the young guy was crushed between the wheel and the ceiling.

Mounting tires can be deadly.
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I must be doing something wrong. I have mounted a lot of rear tractor tires in years past and never had one pop when seating. I have had some of my joints pop trying to get one off. I have had a few that the bead was not quite all the way out but once it was on the ground and in the field a short it was out where there was no crack/space. I have had a couple that when they didn't start to slide in place at 30 pounds of pressure I have broken them down and re lubed them.  Once in a while one side on the same side will start to seat way ahead of the other side which puts th ebead i a cocked position. Some new rears have had some flash that needed trimed off that might have made it hard to slide over.  Most small tires pop when the bead seats.
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Yeah Brian, i don't believe that would work real good!!
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I needed 2 rears and 2 fronts mounted for my 25-40 on round spokes, thought about doing it myself, local coop told me they would mount all four for $50.00 I guess you know who mounted the tires, picked them up this afternoon, look real nice.
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Shameless, I was gonna ask about using the ether the other day but I didn't want to get yelled at.   I have some LT truck tires I am putting on a trailer and the only way I got the first one mounted was to use the old ether method.   I usually use some wood kitchen matches so I can lite it and throw it so I am a safe distance away.   I learned that trick from my dad and brother.   Don't like to use it, but it does work.   The other key is to have the valve stem removed so it lets the extra pressure out when it does blow and then have the air hose ready to air it up so the beads don't fall back off right away.    If you don't pull the valve stems out, they can blow apart on you.

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Originally posted by Brian G.  NY Brian G. NY wrote:

I can't see how you could use either the "Bead Cheetah" or the starting fluid on tube type tires.


You have to remove the stem, spray a lonoog dose of starting fluid into tire..........and stick about a foot of cannon fuse in the valve stem.....light it and don't stop running until you hear the boom! If you used sufficient starting fluid the tire, rim, or pieces may still pass by you! LOL 
Seriously, don't do it, I'm joking

I've used starting fluid on car tires.....don't think I would have the 'nads to do it on a truck of tractor tire
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I can almost envision the explosion and flames!!  LOL
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Have tried the either on tubeless truck tires but made a cheeta out of old 20 lb propane tank and now use that . 1 1/2 " pipe and ball valve on tank clip air hose onto valve stem and start filling then give blast with the cheeta and they go on. 
 When I put the new tires on my 715B hoe could not get them to bead, went back to shop I bought them from and they said no problem 3 hours later they were still trying to get them to seat. Took 4 cheetas used at once and cable around tire to compress it to finally get them mounted.

 Lou's method sounds like a friend of mine who was scrapping RR tank cars , someone asked him how he knew he could cut them . He said he tied a rag onto a rope , draped it over car , lit rag and pulled it across to the manhole. When asked if that was safe , he just said he put his finger in the ear closest to the car so when it exploded it did not effect his hearing ... 
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The local tire company offers free fix a flats on the tires they sell....got tired of me bringing in my skidloader tire when that came off the rim....usually a half hour with a bead cheeta...they finally got smart and  offered me a discount on a tube.....
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I didn't read through all this, but I will say that my oldest son worked for tire shops that did on the farm repairs the last three summers.  This past summer I helped him change the rear tires on my dad's 861 Ford.  I would NOT like to be there watching the pressure build until they pop every time.  My son has told me horror stories that he made me promise not to tell his mom.  
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Now this goes back many a day: Seems that Uncle's green machine mechanics were supposed to chain the tires on the duce & half's tires before airing it up..Damn split rims on the M-34s took off across the shop one day without the chain rig on and took out the mid section of a mechanic packing bearings some 20 feet away..
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I fit tractor tyres day in day out, every 1 i fit pops out onto the bead always lube up real good and usually u r ok only had to put a 100 psi in a couple to make them seat .normally take me 1.5 hours to fit a set of  710/70/r42 and 600/65/r34 onto a tractor. 
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I have used a kiddie pool and a hose with lots of dawn or other soap.  just be sure not to Get water in the tire. (  attach  compressor and run while filling pool around the tire, and spraying around the top.)
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