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Codger
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The one I drove had round fuel tanks and there was a gap between the tank and wheel arch filled with the battery box, and air tanks on each side. I think the batteries were on the left and side by side mounted air tanks on the right side. Can't say if the cowl were longer for the cab, but the hood certainly was. The passenger side cowl had that "vent" or louvers pressed into it as seen on the white truck in the photo.
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Tbone95
Orange Level Access Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11399 |
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Weird. I'll say it took a little longer than typical, but it worked. Beats me.
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BuckSkin
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 303 |
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What browser are you using ? Once you got on the site, could you change pages and navigate around ?
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Tbone95
Orange Level Access Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 11399 |
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Microsoft Edge, and yes, can navigate the page.
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fjdrill
Silver Level Access Joined: 13 May 2012 Location: Alabama Points: 267 |
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Auction time. Auction results: Lot#9798-1967 Chevrolet C90. That truck has the 3 back widows.
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BuckSkin
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 303 |
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THANKS ! Now THAT is a good find ! 62 bids and only $2,225; that truck was a steal; I wish I had been there = it would be sitting here at the house now. I bet that 238 Detroit sounds off. Whoever typed it up didn't know what they were talking about "two-speed axle"
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Ray54
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4370 |
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Just for prospective on the west coast single rear axle tractors for pulling double trailers are still very popular. So your asking about if a 9500 could come as I single rear axle, it very well could of.
Definitely some traction limitations with only one drive axle, but on the other hand a set of doubles follows so much easier on a tight turn and does not cheat near as much. Pluses and minces in most things. Just like your talk of Dayton or bud wheels, never been around a Dayton wheel. Just about everything is bud wheels.
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PaulB
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4431 |
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The choice of Dayton or Budd is kinda a matter of preference of the original purchaser. At one time in this area Budd were not common on anything and most tire shops had competent help that knew how properly install the rims on the spokes, today not so much. At today's tire shops any moron can take the air impact and tighten up a Budd wheel to run true, weather or not it is properly torqued.
Of all the road tractors I've owned only one had Budd wheels and if I'd ordered it instead of getting what was on the lot, it would have also had spoke wheels. I can change a flat on the side of the road with a Dayton wheel and be back going before a road service truck could leave its shop. I also know how to properly tighten a Dayton wheel so that it runs true and doesn't slip on the spoke and I only use a 4-way lug wrench and I've been doing it for 50+ years
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BuckSkin
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 303 |
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Properly installed, the spoke/Dayton wheel setup is strongest.
Besides the wheels wobbling as you already mentioned, the main thing I saw the most of with Daytons is the rims slipping and shearing off the valve stems. Also, if you don't know what you are doing and don't loosen the nuts just a bit and knock the wedges loose with a hammer before taking the nuts completely off, those wedges will shoot off there like the projectile from a howitzer and kill you. The biggest downfall of the lug-centric Budds with the two-piece inner/outer double-nut is one or the other or both wheels would get loose and break out the center around the studs. We got at least one truck a day that would have the center broken out of a double-nut Budd.
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29661 |
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Best all round set up Pilot Center single lug nut Aluminum wheels, Outboard Drum Brakes, Daytons, many of the Budd Styles and current Stupid Air Disc are all Remove hub to replace brakes, with the old wedge brakes gas axe was a necessity.
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Codger
Orange Level Joined: 23 Dec 2020 Location: Illinois Points: 1815 |
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Nothing wrong with the Dayton, (Chicago Wobblers) style if they are installed correctly and are very strong. Ball seat, or "Budd" style wheels served well also but they tended to crack starting at the lug hole in the rim and were easily "mashed out" at the ball seat with the improper use of an impact. I have one truck with a cracked aluminum rim now from this practice.
I always liked Budd on the steer axle, and spokes on the drives. Steel Budd wheels are just about too heavy to handle alongside the roadway and both aluminum and steel are imbalanced as hell when trying to roll them alongside a highway shoulder to replace due to a flat. This is because of the offset of the rim. I too like the "unimount" or hub pilot style for it's sheer simplicity of use. I've seen steel rims rust to the hubs and these are a real bitch to get free when needed but they run true when the hub is maintained when the wheel is removed. Of course outboard brake drums, Q, or Q+ brake shoes etc. are leaps ang bounds better than days of old but some technology advancement is good.
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dawntreader74
Orange Level Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Location: Manteno Points: 1758 |
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have a 68 7500 GMC with the two peace hood was called a JI back in the day big motor strong truck.
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BuckSkin
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 303 |
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Is there any obvious visible difference that says "This is a 7500" or "This is a 9500" ? If one was sitting in the Walmart parking lot, could a person tell from three lanes over which it was ?
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TramwayGuy
Orange Level Access Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: Northern NY Points: 11241 |
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Isn’t there a VIN plate on it? That should tell you what it is.
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BuckSkin
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 303 |
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I didn't get the option to open the door and look. That thing was sitting in our road across the end of our driveway, loading a W20C Case loader, and there was a pink-sweatered text-messaging lipstick queen in the passenger seat who may have poked a pistol in my face had I opened the door.
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shameless dude
Orange Level Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13611 |
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A friend of mine is restoring an old....I think Brigader semi tractor, will hafta look again to see, also forgot what year it is. he has the interior done and the cab exterior done, all new tires. he did modify some of it. re-did all the drive train...sweet sounding bugger!
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29661 |
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Big concern on dayton hubs is inspecting the ears on the spokes. Many ignore until that day wheels pop over the Inside edge and lose both or end up in a ditch. Hammering with a inch ugga ugga gun stresses studs and that rear ear that keeps the rims on. Cracks and spin cuts do them in.
GM called them H or J and JI but the numeric system was the best and easiest way to remember them. As to VIN tag all it had was VIN and usually the GVWR ratings, GM enjoyed burying the cab ID code labels all over the firewalls. Same for the autos. |
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BuckSkin
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 303 |
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The mechanical and tire world is full of idiots with impacts. I have probably put more wheels on, big truck or little car, than any man alive; and, I only ever resort to an impact wrench when it is the last resort. I never allow anyone else to remove or install wheels on anything of mine because they think they are at the Indy 500 on a pit crew and will hammer them on with a big impact until Goliath himself could never get them off, warping wheels, hubs, and rotors, and stretching/stressing studs, not to mention cross-threading the studs/nuts such that, when the next poor guy that comes along tries to remove the nuts they spin on the stripped portion and will never come out over the larger wadded up portion, causing one to have to bring out the cold chisel and hammer or torch or both. The huge problem with being in the tire business is you have to come along behind these idiots with impacts and try to remove the wheels without the studs twisting off or the threads stripping, often on these stupid pot-metal(Aluminum Alloy) wheels where the nut is two inches deep down in a hole where a thin-wall socket won't fit, let alone a big cold chisel. In all honesty, it is worth ten dollars a wheel to the tire shop owner when the customer brings in the wheels and leaves the car/truck at home.
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BuckSkin
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 303 |
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Way back in the good old common-sense days, so-called VIN numbers were manufacturer specific and could contain as many or as few letter/number characters as the manufacturer so chose. The best ones were very lengthy, with letters/numbers designating everything from date of manufacture to whether the engine had a single or double row timing chain. For the last thirty or more years, VIN numbers are standard across all manufacturers and tell very little; they only contain something like eight characters and tell none of the specifics about the vehicle. I don't even think that modern VIN numbers are unique to the vehicle; you would need a serial number to determine that.
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29661 |
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What is rather funny is my KW On the truck is Paper Printed and adhesive applied Body Numbers for Licensing purpose. For KW, all they need is the Model Year and Type and the last six on the VIN. On the truck ID there is a requirement for DOT to display the Last Eight. The Prefix has nothing to do with the Truck VIN. Only Six stamped into Frame and a single metal tag Huck Fastener'd to the Cab, Both Six Digit. To validate was not stolen MO had a DOR Tag(dept of Revenue) made and State employee Riveted to door frame as the original Paper tags were Sheit.
S/n is 5J088496 the ONLY hard numbers KW installed was 088496 MO number is seriously LONGER. Had we opted to license this RV, the Title would have changed from Road Tractor to RV and the VIN would have been Changed to reflect that. Would never have been allowed to return to Road Tractor ever again. As to the OP, I do NOT Miss the 5500, 7500 or 9500 series.
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Calvin Schmidt
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Can. Points: 4515 |
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I wouldn't get too hug up on the butterfly hoods. They were likely an option where there was front mounted equipment such as snow plows, or hydraulic pumps for ready mix trucks that made tilting hoods not possible. Likely a lot more GMC's than Chev's . Gas engines were likely 401 or 478 V-6 or 6-71 Detroit's. Short hood models with the headlights mounted lower likely had 8V71 power. I'd love a long hood version with a 12V71. I owned a 65 GMC 72" tilt cab highway tractor with a 702 V-12 gas.
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BuckSkin
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 303 |
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The V-12 gas-burners I have seen are two V-6 connected end-to-end; is that how your's was ? I own a 1964 GMC 1-1/2-ton with Gas V-6 and 4-speed w/single-speed axle. After my dead-beat crooked lawyer brother took everything my father had, unfortunately, the truck was sitting on my father's property; all I have to show for it is the title. He put up big posts and hung locked cables across the drive before they got the casket lid closed. I should report it stolen.
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BuckSkin
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 303 |
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Here is the rest of the truck - same time as the first two pictures were taken.
That is a W20C Case loader; the neighbor has three of them. Not his truck, though; else, I would just walk across the road and investigate it thoroughly.(the red International in the distance is his). |
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Calvin Schmidt
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario Can. Points: 4515 |
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Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed
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DaveKamp
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5642 |
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Modern VINs are unique to that specific vehicle. They contain a certain amount of basic information that can be decoded to reveal quite a few important things, but are serialized and traceable in every possible way. Typically, the last seven digits finalizes the unit's unique identity.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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DaveKamp
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BTW... Hi, My name is Dave, and I have a 478 V6, a Clark 5 speed, and a 4-speed Spicer auxiliary in my driveway waiting for it's turn for attention... (but if someone had a 702 twin-six they wanted to trade... I'd be tempted to do so, and bore and stroke it to 956... and find a way to mid-engine it into a long-bed pickup ) Edited by DaveKamp - 31 Mar 2023 at 7:28am |
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BuckSkin
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2019 Location: Poor Farm Points: 303 |
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I also have a 4-speed Spicer auxilliary; 6041 if my memory is correct; Double-Under, Under, Direct, and Over. I have the ratios figured out and written down somewhere. Intentions for the last thirty years have been to mount it under my 1985 F350 6BT Cummins behind the existing 5-speed. I need to quit procrastinating and get it done.
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DaveKamp
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Yep, Mine is the 7041. 2.31, 1.21, 1, 0.86
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tractorboy
Silver Level Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: southern Va Points: 448 |
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Reminds me of the first big truck I ever drove ,it was a ex- yellow freight truck just like that . Also had a chevrolet Titan 90! keith so.va.
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fjdrill
Silver Level Access Joined: 13 May 2012 Location: Alabama Points: 267 |
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Anybody interested in Aux Trannies? Know were some are coming up for sale.
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