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i-600 backhoe - Hoe seems "stuck"? |
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JFon101231 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 28 Dec 2015 Location: CT Points: 19 |
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Ah, super, just typed a whole big post and then it bombed and didn't post! Will try again:
Not that long ago, I bought my first machine, an older AC I-600 (from what I'm told), based on the D15 Series II tractor. It has some issues I'd like to fix, and then sell it so I can buy my wife's grandmothers Ford tractor she is looking to sell. Smaller, newer, like 700 hours, and parts everywhere are main benefits :) Don't want to invest a ton of $ (bought for $3500 and put another $350-400 or so into it getting starter rebuilt, clean/rebuild/reassemble carb and completely replaced all ignition parts and upgraded to Pertronix), but don't want to have to sell it for $2500 or something because its not 100%. 1) Machine seems to be low on hydro power, and potentially getting worse? When I got it, it would lift 1000lb hanging off the hook to say roughly 85% of lift height. Obviously should go all the way up and I think its rated for like close to 3k. It would go up a little more if I "bumped" the lever a little at a time... Hadn't done much with it for a few months, maybe only used handful of times. Wanted to use again so before I did i checked fluid in the R arm looked low so I added some fluid (maybe too much, it was basically overflowing that plug after I added because I had hard time looking past funnel to check level), forget exactly which I had but think it was plain ISO 46 (it was red IIRC). Then it struggled to lift to say like 30-40% of height. Not sure if it was related to the fluid I added, or just was 1st time I used it since before? Also - I assume this is not normal, but it also does not like to flip the bucket back up if it is fully dumped while arms are lifted. I had assumed that was due to low fluid before, but that can't be the case now. Not sure what to do, should I R&R all fluid, is there a screen/filter I should check/replace? I do have a 3000psi pump from my snowplow work, i assume it would be good to try and get adapters and plumb this is somewhere, but not sure where? 2) The backhoe section that is closest to the tractor is giving me some issues, possibly both are intertwined. When I park it, it leaks down and eventually bucket will come to rest on the ground. Not end of the world, start it, pull it up to the tractor and away I go. However, it doesn't appear I can do any actually digging with this at the moment because if, after pulling it up to the tractor, I try to push it away, it bogs the engine but doesn't move. I presume it takes more hydro pressure to lift it up and push it away, so don't think #1 is (the only) factor. Wondering if there is some junk/restriction somewhere between the valve body/junction block and that end of the piston? Bucket and the further end of the hoe seem to go in both directions as they should. What should I do here? Not sure if it would be OK to pull off the hose from that end of fitting and make sure that when I pull lever fluid shoots out, and then look into that end of the piston and see if there is any blockage? Thanks for any and all suggestions!
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53885 |
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Some of the older backhoe loader combos have a push/pull valve that directs pump flow to either loader or hoe. If that valve is halfway on, or has an internal problem, could cause some of what you are describing. On most of the D series industrials, I think it is located on the right side loader arm, below the loader controls...
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87273 |
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might be nice to have a pressure gauge in the circuit to see what pressure is developed by the pump
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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JFon101231 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 28 Dec 2015 Location: CT Points: 19 |
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Forgot to check the machine before I left for work this AM, but I checked a pic I have from driver seat and don't see a valve you refer to DiyDave, but will check for sure tonight.
Agree on the gauge, but wasn't sure if it mattered where I put it?
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JFon101231 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 28 Dec 2015 Location: CT Points: 19 |
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Checked and there is no push/pull valve as mentioned
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 53885 |
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OK, then what I would recommend is to flow check the pump, first, to rule that out. Maybe even before that, check if there is a filter or suction screen that could be clogged, on the suction side...
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JFon101231 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 28 Dec 2015 Location: CT Points: 19 |
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And where might one (unexperienced) person find such potential filter or suction screen? I see one filter right behind the valve bank for the loader, but not sure whether there is anything else. And I assume there is no way to 'check' the filter like you could a screen, should just swap it out for a new one? If anyone knows the part # I'd need or has a parts list that's be huge. Otherwise I'll see what I can find.
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