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Terry G 
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 Topic: HD-3 with 2cyl. Detroit
Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 6:43pm |
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I own a hd-3 serial # 8 with a 2 cyl. detroit. I have read these were made in 1942. Can anyone tell me how to tell if it is a '42 or a 60's model?
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Coke-in-MN
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Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 7:11pm |
Picture would be helpful . sounds like old machine if DD unless someone repowered it .
HD5 used a 2-71 starting in 1948
HD3 post on here a while back
Edited by Coke-in-MN - 31 Aug 2010 at 7:14pm
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everett048
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Posted: 01 Sep 2010 at 3:26pm |
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if it is a H D 3 g m i think the rear end and running gear was based on the Allis M very rare machine
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OrangeKiwi(NZ)
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Posted: 01 Sep 2010 at 4:13pm |
Here is a photo of a 1942 HD3 taken from a sales brochure.
There was one of these crawlers for sale on Ebay about 18 months ago. I have lost my photo of it due to changing computers. I think it was located in Utah or Montana. I believe the sale was completed.
Edited by OrangeKiwi(NZ) - 01 Sep 2010 at 4:35pm
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Terry G
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Posted: 01 Sep 2010 at 4:46pm |
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That 's it in the picture. Does anyone know how parts cross over ? I do have an original parts book but need steering clutches for the right side I believe. It runs and moves just will not turn right, and smells of 90 wt oil in the r/h clutch housing cover. I live in Idaho and just purchased it this spring off craigs list. Any help would be great. Also is this rare or worth fixing for use around my poperty?
Edited by Terry G - 01 Sep 2010 at 4:55pm
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OrangeKiwi(NZ)
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Posted: 01 Sep 2010 at 5:13pm |
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Terry, Only 28 of these crawlers were ever made, in 1942 only, so they're definitely rare. Little information has been published in any AC reference books about them but one book does state "the HD3 was apparently built on the M powertrain and tracks" so steering clutches for a model M would be a definite starting place. Some other U.S. members will be better placed to tell you where they are available.
Good luck with your repairs and please save this rare crawler.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2010 at 6:39pm |
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you might own the rarest allis crawler can you post some pictures please ?
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Terry G
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Posted: 01 Sep 2010 at 10:27pm |
here she is. take a look and give me your thoughts. it is a 40 inch model. what do you think. we bought it to work on our property but if it is a collector we do not want to tear it up. maybe restore it? or sell it.
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steve aust
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Posted: 02 Sep 2010 at 1:44am |
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Thats a beauty Terry , definatly a rare crawler , the members on the farm euipment forum would be interested and know a bit about it as it was originaly a farm crawler and would be very sort after for a colector, would be nice to put it back to original orange . thanks for the pictures steve
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Gary(OR)
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Posted: 02 Sep 2010 at 3:52am |
First one I ever seen. I was always under the impression that none ever made it to the production stage, only prototype....this is all very interesting to say the least. I'd say this machine belongs in a museum !
As for the steering clutches, hopefully everything is the same as the M, otherwise parts availability may be tough ?? I'd suggest checking the following link....they're located in ID also.....
Thanks !
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everett048
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Posted: 02 Sep 2010 at 3:30pm |
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Yes that is based on a M rear end and running gear that is probably the most sought after crawler other than a Allis SO 1 of which is on its way to the UK most Allis crawler collectors would probably kill for that lol
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 02 Sep 2010 at 5:36pm |
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Bummed me out when I saw the non original Chevy emblem on the back. LOL
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OrangeKiwi(NZ)
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Posted: 02 Sep 2010 at 6:14pm |
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Terry, thanks for posting your photos. Your crawler is not the one I saw posted on Ebay so now we know at least 2 have survived. Yours looks to be in great original condition so that should make for an easier restoration.
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ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
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Posted: 02 Sep 2010 at 8:18pm |
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It's your crawler so do what you wish with it, but it is a rare one for sure. I'm sure you'll have a few collectors beating down your door to add it to their collection. The only negative to using it on an everyday basis, is the fact that once something breaks, it might be a bear to find replacement parts for it. Very neat to see that one survived. Thanks for sharing the pictures. Keep us posted on what you decide to do with it.
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Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 12:20pm |
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I was told that all of these were returned to Allis and scrapped due to the war effort. Apparently not the case. Someone had told me a few years ago that another tractor had been driven off a mountain in Oregon and lay in pieces in a canyon, but just hearsay.
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Lee Bradley
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Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 3:50pm |
Terry, Doesn't sound like you have a clutch problem with the gear oil smell you probably have oil soaked brake band. The brake has to work to make the crawler turn. With the machine in first gear and moving try pulling both steering clutches; the machine should stop then release one and then the other both sides should move the crawler. If it doesn't stop when you pull both clutches, then you probably have a frozen/stuck steering clutch. Next with the machine moving step on one brake and then the other each should slow the machine and cause the engine to labor. You will probably find the right brake does nothing. You should be able to get the brake band relined if that is the problem.
Good looking AC.
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