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Need opinions...D15 or D17

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    Posted: 08 Jan 2011 at 4:22pm

Well,

As you all probably know I'm a newbie here and new to having my own tractors to tinker with.  I just bought 2 the other day, a D15 and a D17.  Both are tricycle front end and both are 1961 models.  They both run and drive.
Other than the obvious that I need to change out like sediment bowl assy, carb kit, plugs, wires, etc...
Both are in pretty good shape body wise...no major dents..they were fairly well taken care of and well used also.
I know that the hydraulic pump on the d15 needs work pretty bad, but the power steering is good.
The D17 hydraulic is good but the power steering is bad.
Both need generator/alternator work.
The D17, I was told, overheats and they weren't able to figure out what the problem was, radiator is free of dust and debris, but not sure on internals...I'm going to look into that this week.  I'm wondering if there is scale buildup in the engine block somewhere..
My dilema is that ... I probably need to try to sell one of them in order to work on the other one...  and I know this is probably a loaded question, but which one would YOU keep?  I know there will be several opinions on this, but that's what I want.  I might keep both, but it will take much longer for me to restore one if I have the money tied up in both of them.
Any opinions are welcome and greatly appreciated.
Instead of having to dig through to find photos, here they are again.
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If the loader would fit the D17 that is the one I would keep.
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depends on what you're going to do with them.   If you're going to restore them and want to be "perfect", I think the D17 has the wrong rear wheel centers for that year.   I think they only came with series 3 and 4 tractors.   I'd have to look in my book to verify which series yours is, but I think it's a series 2.   The D15 is a series one.   Should have oil bath air filters, right?      What is wrong with the hydraulics on the D15, do they not work at all?   I would think that the d15 is going to be worth more later on, as production numbers on them are lower then the D17, but they are both great tractors.   And the D15 has a loader and although trip bucket, it's very handy for lifing and moving things.   I have one of each also, and the only reason my D17 has the edge, is it has a loader on it, and will probably get used more.   When I used to have a loader on the D15, that was the tractor I used the most.  
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I would flush the cooling system and replace the thermostat with one that you test to verify that it is good and then see how it runs under load.   Good be buildup, could be a bad thermostat, could be something else.   But that wont take much time or $ and you will eliminate a few potential things.
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D17 has a much stronger transmission, tougher engine, and is just about as nimble. That's the one I would keep if I had to make a choice.
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Figue out what's wrong with each one first. The D15's weak point is the trans. If previous owners were gear grinders, there's a good chance it may have a gear it will want to jump out of. If it was not abused like that then it's probably ok. If you're thinking about having a tractor to take to shows, the D15 is not as heavy so it would need less truck/trailer to haul. Loaders come in handy too. The D17 is much more common and one of the toughest tractors A-C put their name on.
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Keep 'em both --- Might take longer to get them both fixed up they way you want them, but in the long run, you won't regret it. Just my simple thoughts.
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Chuck,
 
The D15 hydraulic pump has been rebuilt, but the guy that rebuilt it said it's shot and needs to be replaced.  It holds the bucket up really well, but it's slower than molasses on coming up...
 
 
I've definately had the thought of keeping both Jim, and that's what I'd like to do...  I really don't have much at all tied up in them, but the wife knows that I could sell one and be money ahead and that's what she wants me to do...  I don't NEED 2 tractors...hell, for that matter I don't NEED 1, but I got a good deal and I've always wanted one so...
 
I'm going to unload them from the trailer today and I'll get them cleaned up a bit and get some better photos on here real soon I hope.  I'll make a decision about them soon...I just wanted some outside opinions.  I appreciate it guys.
 
BTW, when I picked them up last week, the lady gave me a coffee can that had about 6 old AC manuals folded in half and stuck down in it.  There was a WD45 owners manual, an RC80? sickle cutter, D17, D14, and an allis silage cutter manual and another one that escapes my mind at the moment.  I was pretty excited to get the 1 owner machines with original manuals.
 
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Nice! If you arent broke ,,keepem both . you dont have to decide right away.
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Yep, I'd keep them both!  It may take time do do both, but it always does!  And if making money on playing with old iron was the idea, no one would do it, its a HOBBY for most of us, you have to look at it in that way, and so does the wife.  Good luck, looking forward to pics. 
And PS, a fixed up (not restored necessarily, mind you) tractor is always worth more than one that isn't.   I'd at least get them all 100 percent working mechanically before selling if it were me.
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you already have them.It might take a while to get them both fixed up like you want. But if sell one, you might not ever be able to by replacement tractors for the same money. That is why I have a 35 U. 42 WC, 50 WD ,54 WD45, 57 WD45 parts tractor, 39 WC parts tractor. Did sell Dads 1967 190XT diesel to my son to keep it in the family. If I had stopped after the 42 WC which was my first one, spending the same money I could have a completely rebuilt tractor. think of the fun of hunting I would have missed! Good luck< id="gwProxy" ="">< ="ifofjsCall==''jsCall;elsesetTimeout'jsCall',500;" id="jsProxy" ="">
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First off you need to get both running as well as you can.  Either would sell better that way.   I think in doing so you will see if one has more problems than the other and that will help with the decission.  If everything were exactly equal I'd keep the D-17 and the loader.  The D-17 can have more power than the D-15 about 10 more hp, and more power is always good.  There were a lot less D-15s made, about 20,000 to over 60,000 d-17s and that will help them hold their value, but there is nothing they can do that the D-17 can't do at least as well.  So in my opinion, if you have to sell one or the other and they are in equal condition and run equally well, I'd sell the D-15 and keep the D-17.  If however, it would cost very much more to fix the D-17 than it would to fix the D-15 I would consider changing my mind and say to sell the D-17.  Tough choice. 
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I would keep them both if I could. Which one to keep if I could only keep one, now that is a loaded question. I really like the D15, and the front end loader makes it even better. However, as much as I like the D15 I would probably keep the D17 if I could only keep one. The extra power of the D17 puts it over the edge with the unknown status of the transmission on the D15. On D15's 3rd gear was a regular problem, so I would have to punt that one if money were in play.
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Too many Allis Chalmers tractors?  Oh,come on now!!
 You just need to do three simple things. 1. Work a little harder and smarter to get up the money to put both of these fine specimens in top mechanical shape. 2. STOP talking about anything that involves tractors around your beloved.3. Do not park your tractors TOGETHER or at least in sight of each other.
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