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My new to me 920

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    Posted: 31 May 2025 at 7:19pm
Hello all, I was finally able to add a 920 back into my stable of garden tractors after several years.  She looks really nice, under 550 hours but needs a little TLC to get her back up to snuff.  Mostly fuel leaks, charging system issues.   I fixed one major fuel leak, the other big one is the top of the injector pump where the pump elements thread down into the pump body. Guessing there is an O ring in there that has perished from age.  The ohter issue is the plug for the VR is gone, the individual wires are tapped up off to the side.  I need a wiring diagram/color schematic so I can plug them all back into the VR and see if it works.  If someone has been into the pump and can advise if those seals is something I can get and change or if the pump needs a diesel shop or replaced.   She runs great otherwise, starts easily.  Not my first 920 but nicer than my last one.   
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Got one of those coming in as soon as I finish the owners Simplicity "Sunstar" mower. His 920 has power steering which I don't see on yours. Nice tractors for certain. Do you have the belt sheave covers for the deck? I may have extra for a 48" deck.

I have and mow with a Sovreign weekly myself, although gasoline powered with p/s. It replaced a 918H I plum wore out.
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I have the belt covers and even the original bolt on metal deflector chute.  I wont be using any of them,  Easier to keep the deck clean with them off.  They will get hung on the wall in the garage.  Just have to get the fuel leak stopped with the injector pump and I will be good to go for awhile.  When money permits, I will get the rear lift parts and a sleeve hitch adapter.  

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nice , i have been looking for one of those for a long time 
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I used o-ring face seal hyd fitting o-rings to fix my leaks. The plunger assy screws out and change the o-ring

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Welcome to the forum.
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Did you have to remove the pump from the engine to get the elements out?  Its kind of tucked in there a bit.  I am thinking both manifolds will need to come off to allow access to them with a socket and decent length socket wrench.  Sadly we lack a good hyd shop where I live.  I have an O ring kit from Harbor Freight, maybe one of those will fit it.  
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No those will be too thick. Most any farm implement dealer should have them. I only took the exh manifold and inj line off. The pump assembly doesn't need to come out. Just unscrew the part where the inj line attaches.

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Ok, I will bring her up to the garage tomorrow and get one of the elements out so I can get the size, then run out to Plevna Implement and see if they have what I need.  Be nice to have it not leaking before I have to mow mid week.  I might run up to Rural King today and see if they have any hyd face seal type O rings.  They have a somewhat decent ag supply area with hyd fittings.  

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The only issue I had was the one of the brass nuts on the manifold stripped out and could only find a replacement on Amazon. They are m8-1.25. Kinda odd in the US
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Actually, standard O rings from my O ring kit worked just fine.  Took a crap shoot since its Sunday and put two O rings in to replace the rock hard and split originals,  No more fuel leaks.   Soaked the engine down with purple power, let it soak a couple min, then blasted it all off with the hose.  Looks much better now.   
 
Here she is after wax and polishing things.  I will repaint the rims and my weights here soon.  
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I wish mine had power steering, I think that was mostly on 1985 models.  A some point I will replace the front tires with 5 rib Vederstein.  She will get her first mowing in my ownership tomorrow, got two yards to mow and one is very tall as they only have me mow it bi weekly.   If the old IH Cub 100 can do it, the diesel wont even notice it.   
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I mowed with mine for a couple of years. Compared with 918 it used about half the fuel to do the same amount.
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All of the diesels I have owned that I mowed with used far less fuel than a comparable gas engine in this vintage.  The flat twins from Kohler, Briggs ect are just gas hogs.  Sound great but come from an era where gas was cheap.  I prefer diesels as the fuel rarely goes skunk unless it gets water or bacteria in it.  The engine can set for months, even years and fire right back up.   New rear motor mounts is next, old ones are super spongy from being soaked in diesel fuel for so long, 
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That is a Lombardini isn't it? Now part of Kohler if so and some parts are getting hard to source.
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Yes, Lombardini from the pre Kohler days. The smaller 1 cylinder 6hp Lombardini powered constuction arrow boards before solar power took over. Those ran thousands of hours. Only hard to source if your not willing to deal with overseas dealers where these engines are much more common and in daily use.  For the longest time you could not get piston rings.  They now show up on ebay from dealers in Turkey ect.  The trick is to find a nice one, then take care of it.   Be aware of its foilables like chaff build up in the cooling duct due to oily mess/leaks.  In proper tune, they are unstoppable when mowing, even in high grass with left over chaff from 2 weeks ago the homeowner did not rake up like they said they would.   
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I've been around long enough to remember when they were quite common. A very sound engine if kept clean so it could cool itself.

Always liked the Daihatsu/B&S diesel used in Simplicity also, but like the Lombardini, One can't rely on "normal" supply channels for needed parts totally.
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I have not heard the best reviews of the Daihatsu triple cylinder compared to a Yanmar or Kubota of the same basic size.  But alot of it comes down to how you maintain it or don't.  Same goes for Onan B and P series flat twins.  Some engines, especially older Kohler and older Briggs will tollerate more abuse and lack of upkeep vs others.   I see so many fail to run them at proper RPM when working an air cooled engine because "its loud" or "im saving fuel"  But in instead they are overheating them.  The 920/7790 really needed to have a belly screen or a finer mesh flywheel screen to keep the chaff out of the cooling system.  Being in a garden tractor comes with a set of special needs that some manufactures fail to take into consideration, or owners fail to maintain.  In 25+ years of turning wrenches professionally on small engines.  I have lost count of how many rear engine ZTR's have come with with chaff just packed in heaps around the engine and see a few of them go up in flames because of it(had to spec out the repair costs for the insurance claim).  Or had compact tractors come in for overheating issue and its obvious the owner never bothered trying to clean the chaff off the radiator screens and flush the dirt out of the rad's fins.   

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One of the issues is when Kohler bought Lombardini.  They dumped it on Kohler dealers that had no clue what to stock let alone repair them.  If these dealers knew better what older models were still working in the field, they could have better stocked up on parts like motor mounts(I have at least one bad right now), gaskets, piston ring sets and so forth.  Outside of the 920/7790, butt loads of old traffic arrow board signs using the little 6LD260 and some commercial equipment and fire truck grass rigs(seen a few 10LD400-2's used to run bed mounted fire pumps on grass fire rigs.  The brand is not widely known in the states like Yanmar or Kubota.  
  

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Not going to disagree at all. Kohler bought them as less $$$ to acquire the company than tool up a separate engine line. The design was always sound, but most failures I've seen are from neglect. I've never rebuilt one myself; just seen a lot of them in different applications. 

I have two customers with the Daihatsu diesels in Simplicity Legacy tractors. Both are approaching 2K hours and neither burn oil, or leak fluids. Not a real common platform around here but those two I maintain so a bit of history on them. I want to say both have Diesel Kiki pumps which are fairly common although neither has required any work. What has been a kick in the teeth is the parts availability around the engines. Simplicity since selling out to B&S has been discontinuing needed stocks to keep the old units operational. Not a problem for me as I can repair, or fabricate a lot to keep operational but it does get expensive to the end user in both dollars and time. 

Many of the traffic control signage around here used Hatz diesels, but I've not worked on any of those. I'm not really a professional mechanic at all. Just fix what is broke.   
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I have some new motor mounts left if you need any. Send me PM, including the AC/Simplicity part number if possible. I bought extras from same manufacturer of originals.
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I will pm you for a price on them.  I dont have the part number, should be the same for all 7790/920 with the Lombardini diesel.  They are unique to that tractor as far as I know.   Hatz and Petter were the other two small diesels used in the flashing arrow board trailer.  Both also solid air cooled diesels, Hatz being German and Petter is UK(now merged with Lister)  I see all three at swap meets.  One of these days if I see one that isnt silly money, I might pick it up to build something with. They can manage a small generator head with proper belt pulley to step up the RPM to the genny.  
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I would trade a set of A-C weights for your Cub Cadet ones
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I would swap, but my wife runs a Cub Cadet 127, so they go back on that tractor once I get these ags filled with beet juice.  

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I have a nice set then if you need some
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