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Posted: 09 Jul 2010 at 7:25am |
 JohnCO wrote:
Some time ago there was an allcrop for sale on Ebay set up as a grain cleaner. The guy had taken the separator off the rest of the machine and set it up on a frame with augers in and out. Think he wanted $1,000 or so. Don't know if it sold.
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I would make mine portable...clean it in the field...small producers can share the unit.
Also can replace the headache of finding grain cleaners who can do certified organic seed cleaning. If I was to hire a cleaner, I would have to pay $200(which is cheap) up front as the expense of cleaning the machine to meet organic standards. In place of the header put a platform to fill a bulk or small bags, or swivel the (modified) grain elevator to dump it in the tank...This would be good for the small producer who cant justify the expense of storage bins and related equipment. From the field to a shippable unit. Of course the grain would have to be dry. Another thought is to modify to allow grain tank emptying back into the seperator, providing for batch multi-pass cleaning. Too many ideas, too little time.
So as you can see this whole all-crop thing I work with is fore more than just the hobbyist, but the "serious" small scale and often organic producer who needs this type of machinery. Had a talk with a customer in Oregon. He is flying to Maine to lecture in a conference dedicated to small scale grain producing. His task will be to educate on equipment. Will be plugging the All-Crop and my name will be dropped. Cant beat that kind of advertising!!
Edited by TomYaz - 09 Jul 2010 at 7:26am
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Posted: 09 Jul 2010 at 7:09am |
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Thanks for the pics I hadn't heard from him since it arrived. I am a long ways from an All Crop 'spert but I think you are splitting hairs when you open things up and shut the air off to save a few kernals. We ran 75-80 BPA wheat with that rig last year and the sample could have been dumped in a drill and you couldnt find a kernal of wheat on the ground. That first Pic looks like it came from a threshing floor before they threw it up in a breeze, does he have the finishing sieve in the combine? |
A few kernals here, a few kernals there, before you know it...
But im not just doing this to save kernals...by upping the blast on the second pass I hope to blow out the lightweight grain to improve the test weight.
Just experimentin, could end up being just a waste of time..
Yes he did have a finishing screen. I think all he needs is a little more practice.
Edited by TomYaz - 09 Jul 2010 at 7:10am
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 11:30pm |
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Some time ago there was an allcrop for sale on Ebay set up as a grain cleaner. The guy had taken the separator off the rest of the machine and set it up on a frame with augers in and out. Think he wanted $1,000 or so. Don't know if it sold.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 9:15pm |
Thanks for the pics I hadn't heard from him since it arrived. I am a long ways from an All Crop 'spert but I think you are splitting hairs when you open things up and shut the air off to save a few kernals. We ran 75-80 BPA wheat with that rig last year and the sample could have been dumped in a drill and you couldnt find a kernal of wheat on the ground. That first Pic looks like it came from a threshing floor before they threw it up in a breeze, does he have the finishing sieve in the combine?
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 8:50pm |
BrettPhillips wrote:
I agree that you have to be careful to minimize losses from blown-over grain, and this is where the scour klean might make life easier, as you could afford to cut back on the wind a bit and run the tailboard a little higher, then let the scour klean handle the secondary separation duties. The trouble with this system is that all of the low test weight grain is saved as well, and this can lead to a thinner wallet at the elevator. |
When I do the second pass I am going to up the wind and tighten the sieve/chaffer.
So..
1st pass in the field, less wind, higher chaffer/sieve to minimize loss
2nd pass post harvest on other machine; more wind, tighter chaffer/sieve + scour kleen.
Any excess loss will be easily identified since this will be stationary activity.
Best of both worlds.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 7:55pm |
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I agree that you have to be careful to minimize losses from blown-over grain, and this is where the scour klean might make life easier, as you could afford to cut back on the wind a bit and run the tailboard a little higher, then let the scour klean handle the secondary separation duties. The trouble with this system is that all of the low test weight grain is saved as well, and this can lead to a thinner wallet at the elevator.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 7:26pm |
BrettPhillips wrote:
Some random thoughts:
Close attention to the operator's manual (especially the more general sections that describe how the machine does its' job) will get you VERY close to what is shown in the second picture. I might even venture to say that a good operator could do as well or better with a scour klean on the first trip (what's that black stuff?).
*EDIT* Still, this isn't the first time I have heard of an all-crop being used as a fanning mill. Their adjustability and finishing screen make them a perfect candidate. *END EDIT*
The A-C pamphlet "how to run your All-Crop Harvester" is another valuable source of hints for the novice operator, and I re-read mine often in hopes that some of it will sink in.
Last year I harvested oats, and by careful adjustment of the sieves, wind valves, and tail board I was able to get the combine to remove the hull from about 60% of the grain. This boosted the test weight from the standard 32 lbs/bu to 43 lbs/bu. The neighbors were more than a little impressed. This year's wheat came out clean too, but I had to work a little harder for it. I had forgotten that the sieve settings in the manual seem to be too far open for my machine, and I ended up with straw plugging the adjustable sieves as well as the fixed screen for the first 4-5 bins until I got them closed up. |
Yep when I look the the crossection of your typical fanning mill, I am hard pressed to see anything that is superior to the all-crop set up so I say why not make it a fanning mill?
the thing about getting the crop super clean on the first pass is not knowing the cost of the grain going out the other end. Kinda a hard for me to judge. Its a trade off. I remember that lst time I did it, I had it super clean but yet my yield per acre sure didnt seem as much as what appeared in the field.
My strategery is too loosen up the settings so as to minimize the loss, then run it thru again to clean it up. If my quality is good enough I could get 50 cents per pound for this wheat. Dont want to leave any on the gournd for the wild turkeys.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 4:41pm |
Charlie175 wrote:
The one we had used a operator platform in front of the bin. Not sure if this was a addon or what but we had to ride there with a long broom to help the reel out when doing tall oats. |
That was probably a bagger model. Each of the ALLCROPS was also avaliable as a bagger model
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 4:29pm |
Some random thoughts: Close attention to the operator's manual (especially the more general sections that describe how the machine does its' job) will get you VERY close to what is shown in the second picture. I might even venture to say that a good operator could do as well or better with a scour klean on the first trip (what's that black stuff?).
*EDIT* Still, this isn't the first time I have heard of an all-crop being used as a fanning mill. Their adjustability and finishing screen make them a perfect candidate. *END EDIT*
The A-C pamphlet "how to run your All-Crop Harvester" is another valuable source of hints for the novice operator, and I re-read mine often in hopes that some of it will sink in. Last year I harvested oats, and by careful adjustment of the sieves, wind valves, and tail board I was able to get the combine to remove the hull from about 60% of the grain. This boosted the test weight from the standard 32 lbs/bu to 43 lbs/bu. The neighbors were more than a little impressed. This year's wheat came out clean too, but I had to work a little harder for it. I had forgotten that the sieve settings in the manual seem to be too far open for my machine, and I ended up with straw plugging the adjustable sieves as well as the fixed screen for the first 4-5 bins until I got them closed up.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 2:35pm |
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The one we had used a operator platform in front of the bin. Not sure if this was a addon or what but we had to ride there with a long broom to help the reel out when doing tall oats.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 12:07pm |
wfmurray wrote:
WE ran a 60 for years .If you got it set right it it don't need to go through twice.I still have orignal book . Tells how to set up on over 100 crops and don,t includ corn . |
Yes for "good enough for the elevator" or grain bin, once should do. But I and my customer want to take it further; closer to food grade/seed level of cleaning. Would like
to incorporate more scalping other than the scour kleen, perhaps scalping screens where the grain drag runs over.
Edited by TomYaz - 08 Jul 2010 at 12:08pm
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 12:02pm |
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WE ran a 60 for years .If you got it set right it it don't need to go through twice.I still have orignal book . Tells how to set up on over 100 crops and don,t includ corn .
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 11:52am |
Been helping my customer thru his All-Crop owner freshman year. He bought Butch's 66 and took it to Kaleefornia... Did his first harvest of wheat (I think). Said it was very weedy and not very clean. I think the initial clean could have been done better, so lets just rack it up to learning:
So I suggested he run the grain thru the seperator again. He did and after four trys and tinkering he got this:
I am going to be doing my wheat this weekend. And plan on doing a secondary cleaning by unloading from the first allcrop into the seperator of the second. hopefully two total passes will get me squeaky clean. If works as good as I hope I think I got a new market for all-crops....converted to seed cleaners....
Here is a couple more pics:
Edited by TomYaz - 08 Jul 2010 at 11:53am
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