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Brian S(NY) 
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 Posted: 01 May 2019 at 8:19am |
I have an everstart that wont start my car.. 3yrs on a 5 year battery and walmart refuses to warentee it
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TimNearFortWorth
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Posted: 01 May 2019 at 10:16am |
Looked at TSC Exide about a year ago. Employee was asked how many they got back on warranty and he advised many. Seem to recall something about discussions TSC had with them about issues, and potentially dropping them. Wiring/charging system up to snuff, how often used, what type of charger to top off/maintain and what part of the countrywhere used all play into what brands last IMO.
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TimCNY
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Posted: 01 May 2019 at 10:27am |
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Local battery shop that's been around 40+ years told me that with all the electronic stuff on today's cars, few batteries will last more than 2 years. He went into a lot of detail but no room for that here, and what I wrote is admittedly an oversimplification of what he explained to me. He did say that the same battery on a tractor or an older vehicle would last a good deal longer. FWIW...
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HoughMade
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Posted: 01 May 2019 at 11:04am |
I bought an old style 6v battery branded "Duracell" for my B last summer from Batteries+Bulbs. I must say, I am impressed so far. It was dusty and was obviously on the shelf for a long time before i bought it (no surprise there), but I brought it home and it had a decent charge in it.
My tractor was sidelined for a while in the late summer/fall waiting for a rebuilt magneto, so I kept it on a "smart" charger. Then, when I got the tractor back in commission in the fall, I never put it on the charger again. I used it the remainder of the fall for mowing, then it sat all winter long. I probably started it twice from November to March. It fired right up in late March, not the least bit slow turning over.
Yeah, the battery isn't old, but for not being charged for months at a time and to work perfectly- that's not what I have come to expect. My B still uses an all-original charging system.
As an aside, my lawn tractor, a John Deere 325, has a John Deere branded battery in it. The tractor sat for 3 years in a shed unused before we bought our place almost 5 years ago, and it needed a good carb cleaning to get running, but the battery is still the one that sat for three years and is still being used 5 years after that- I've never had it on a charger.
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
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Posted: 01 May 2019 at 9:09pm |
 DougS wrote:
Hubert (Ga)engine7 wrote:
May have to try the AGM batteries. I have been replacing the battery in my wife's and granddaughter's Escapes and in my '13 F150 at close to the 5 year mark whether bad or not and the old batteries find a home in a tractor. I found a place to buy batteries where they adjust the price according to the length of warranty you get and have saved a good bit of money, so far I have not gotten a bad battery. |
I just changed the battery in an Escape. It's a real bear to change and Ford puts a small battery in that car in the first place. I'll give you some tips on how to change the battery more easily, as well as install an oversized AGM battery. The OEM Ford battery has an inadequate reserve capacity, it's an awkward size and it only has 550 CCA. 550 is fine when new, but after two years it just doesn't cut it here where I dealt with several days when the thermometer was trying to hit -30. Send me a note when you're about to do the deed.
BTW, due to the odd battery size, you won't find an Optima that will fit in an Escape.
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DougS, my wife's Escape is a '12, granddaughter's an '08 and the battery changes were no problem and I just might be able to squeeze an AGM in those. I really don't like the body style of the '13s and up. Thinking of buying my daughter a pre '13 if I run across a good clean one owner.
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DougS
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Posted: 02 May 2019 at 5:05am |
Hubert (Ga)engine7 wrote:
May have DougS, my wife's Escape is a '12, granddaughter's an '08 and the battery changes were no problem and I just might be able to squeeze an AGM in those. I really don't like the body style of the '13s and up. Thinking of buying my daughter a pre '13 if I run across a good clean one owner. |
Huburt, the '12 Escape uses that dreaded Group 96R battery, the same as my '16. I went to a group 48 AGM. It's a half inch taller - just enough that the top clamp wouldn't work. Problem solved by getting a clamp for a '17 Escape with auto start/stop. The Group 48 is about an inch longer than the 96R. See if that would fit in your battery box. There might be spacers at the bottom of the box that are removeable. If so, they just snap out. I hate the 96R size. I think it's a one of a kind size that only Ford uses. The Group 48 Odyssey battery has 50 more minutes of reserve capacity than the OEM 96R battery. The "battery saver" has never told me I needed to shut off the accessories while I was trying to reset items without the engine running sine going to AGM. That was a regular feature with the old battery.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 02 May 2019 at 5:40am |
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I 'suppose' we shouldn't gripe about regular car batteries,too much, considering what E-car owners have to shell out for new batteries ! Gal at the farm bought a 2nd hand smart car, well, she got 'smarted' when the 3/4 dead battery finally pooched. Sold the POS for 1/4 what she paid for it as the new battery PLUS install was insane !!
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DougS
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Posted: 02 May 2019 at 6:44am |
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That's the problem with hybrids. If you don't like the cost of changing a timing belt, you'll scream at the cost of replacing the battery pack. There's more to good economy than good gas mileage. If the car has more than 40,000 miles on it, I'd run from buying that one. $2000 and more is not unheard of for a battery pack.
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Ted J
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Posted: 08 May 2019 at 9:57pm |
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Wish I would have known what battery make my wife's 07 Lucerne had in it. I just replaced it since it was new. That's 12 years on an OEM battery from Buick....
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chaskaduo
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 9:12am |
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Ted who ever made that battery probably don't make em that way anymore. 1. a shorter planned obsolescence or lifespan to increase sales. 2. cheaper materials used to maximize profits. 3. different mfg process to shorten production time for more profits. 4. cheap I don't care it's just a job workers or temps to maximize profits again. Sadly it seems the way of the world, junk for outrageous prices. That's one of the main reasons I seek out older stuff, the newer it is the junkier it seems to be made. I call it chineasium, and its not just stuff from china seems to be the new mfg mentality.
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HoughMade
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 9:35am |
Ted J wrote:
Wish I would have known what battery make my wife's 07 Lucerne had in it. I just replaced it since it was new. That's 12 years on an OEM battery from Buick....
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On my '07 Silverado, I had the original, oem, battery until New Year's Day 2018, 11 years, and about 155,000 miles.
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DougS
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 12:18pm |
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Since about '04 many (GM for one) car makers started charging the battery based on demand. Rather than push 14.5 volts to the battery continuously, they have the computer turn the alternator on only as needed. This tends to go easier on the battery as well as save a few drops per mile of fuel.
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 1:05pm |
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I've bought a lot of battery's in my life (I'm 74) and the thing that
I've found, regarding life expectancy, is the more you use them, the
longer they last, if maintained properly.
I have a '84 Corvette, I've
had it for 12 years but, I haven't drove it in a few years. I never
drove it much and it has sat, much more that I've driven it.
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have put 4 battery's in it and the one that's in it now, has been dead
for at least 3 years. I put 8 year guaranty battery's in it so, it
hasn't cost me much.
I have a lot of cars and 7 running tractors,
I try to keep up on them but, it's hard. I've found that if you let a
conventional battery discharge once, you can get it back but, at two
discharges, it's very iffy if it will last and I've never got battery that discharged 3
times, to recover.
I've started using SLA (sealed lead acid)
battery's, as I have a jumper battery that lasted at least 12 years (17
AH) I just replaced that battery with a 18 AH AGM but, it's not dead, it
has just lost some of it's capacity so, I put it in my lawn tractor. I also using 2 deep cycle batterys in my tractors.
I've started using a 35 AH SLA battery for one of my tractors but, I'm going to look into the AutoCraft AGM batterys.
Edited by frnkeore - 09 May 2019 at 1:11pm
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DennisA (IL)
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Posted: 09 May 2019 at 2:01pm |
AC720Man wrote:
For my tractors I went to Tractor supply only because of price. They carry Exide batteries of which I have had good luck with. 2 for my 190XT, my lawn tractors as well. Getting 5 years on them so far. Gel batteries are nice but dang I cant afford them. I had a Deka go 7 years in a lawn mower! I always used Deka before but I cannot find them locally anymore. They were great batteries and I would still be using them if I could get them. |
The cheapest battery on the Tractor Supply web site is $109.99. You replace it after 5yrs! I would say you can't afford not to go with the AGM's. I buy all of mine online at the cheapest price. I have 11 of them with the oldest being 20yrs and still works like new. I've never had any issues them. I don't like the higher price myself but for me it has been far cheaper in the long run to go with the AGM's. They always have a charge and start the equipment, no messing around.
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