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Trying to Get the C going again

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    Posted: 05 Aug 2015 at 10:17pm
Well I met one of our forum members, Charlie Tucker today! We had a good time together and enjoyed looking at his machines. Got me to thinking about my C that is sitting in the garage for 2 years. The engine has a fresh rebuild on it. But I have just not had the time to get to the other problems. I put a fresh rebuilt carb on from Steve in NJ. But the battery was bad. So I finally got a new 6V battery a couple weeks ago. Went out tonight an put it in. Well it has some juice but needed charged. I did get the tractor started. Drove it out of the garage to let it warm up. I dies when it idles. So I was working on adjusting the carb. Then the starter starts to act up. It makes a grinding noise sometimes or sometimes doesn't sound like it is kicking it. Then after trying a half dozen pulls on the starter, it will ck in and turn over the engine. So now I have starter troubles. I just had it looked at last year. I have not run the tractor since then. He said it was Ok. But I don't think so. Making the same noises it was before. So I will take it off and take in to Cedar Rapids and let them look at the starter.
If I can get the starter to work right, I can get the tractor started and hopefully get the carb set right!
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Did you replace the ring gear when you rebuilt the engine. I always replace the ring gear and starter bendix when I restore a tractor. 
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Ted,
No I don't think he did. It was done by a young man who was taking a Ag Mechanic's class at Kirkwood College in Cedar Rapids. I wish he had done that!
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Originally posted by Ted in NE-OH Ted in NE-OH wrote:

Did you replace the ring gear when you rebuilt the engine. I always replace the ring gear and starter bendix when I restore a tractor. 

Ted,
Thanks for the heads up. I pulled the starter out, got out a flash light and discovered the ring gear is not good...now a nother big job is ahead. Steps to do this?

Thanks for the help,
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Originally posted by allischalmerguy allischalmerguy wrote:

Originally posted by Ted in NE-OH Ted in NE-OH wrote:

Did you replace the ring gear when you rebuilt the engine. I always replace the ring gear and starter bendix when I restore a tractor. 

Ted,
Thanks for the heads up. I pulled the starter out, got out a flash light and discovered the ring gear is not good...now a nother big job is ahead. Steps to do this?

Thanks for the help,
Pastor Mike


I make things as easy and quick as I can. My short term memory is kinda bad. I am not sure what you have to work with. then again my short memory is not all that good either. (:^D

Here is how I would do it. I block the drawbar and torque tube so the rear tires are just off the ground. I move the front away with the engine hoist. when the work is done the front will slide in easy like it came out.






This was a quick engine change but the flywheel is out where it is easy to remove.



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It might not be he thing to do, but i have always thought a guy could heat one small area of the ring gear thru the starter hole and with the tractor break and in low gear pry  the gear around far enough to expose a good area of teeth to the starter.
 I  might be afraid of doing that with a oily greasy mess inside, but if things are clean and dry, I think it might be a quick fix.
 Or else, like I said on the PM, get a hand crank and get her tuned up as good as my Lena and B are now. Big smile
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Thank you guys! Good ideas. I appreicate it. Do you just heat up the ring with a torch and it will pop off? I have never done one before.
I see people sell ring gears on ebay. I would want to get a new one if I went to all that work Dick. Charlie I think it might be too greasy to do it the way you suggest. Thanks!!!!!



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No need to heat a ring gear to remove it. You will need to heat it to install a new one. The ring gear can be removed with a hammer and chisel by wedging the sharp chisel between the flywheel and ring gear working around the split as many times as it takes.
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Ring gears only get 'chewed' in 1 or 2 spots, so if the rest is good, remove and reinstall 90* from where it was.Just be sure to mark WHERE it was first !! This will save you about $100 however if it's not the best of shape, buy new and keep the old as a spare.
Also while it's split, replace the 'pilot bushing' in the crankshaft and the throwout bearing as well unless they are new.

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Thanks Dick and Jay. I appreciate the help. Now I need to get a engine hoist and time to do it.
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Pastor Mike, if you have a stout hardwood tree with a good thick limb that's accessible, a come-along and a couple of chains you can make do without the engine hoist. Or perhaps there's another Forum guy nearby that could lend you a hoist. :)
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I have a feeling that someone is about to loan or give you an engine lift they no longer have a use for.
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