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    Posted: 25 Aug 2015 at 8:10pm
Dressing up a wd for a colleage of mine. Unit has been converted to 12v in the past and fellow wanted to keep it that way so it has a 10si 3 wire alternator with a charge light mounted in the dash.
When checking the battery voltage with engine running, my bluepoint digital voltmeter goes nuts (shows between 3 and 9 volts) when i come within 2feet of the tractor (no leads connected). When i touch the batt posts it spikes on the 20v scale. I dissconnected the alternator completly and it does the same thing. Batt reads 12.77 volts with engine off.
I assume i have an ignition problem. Engine runs great. Do I need suppression wires? Different coil? Wires are multistrand and if i'm not mistaken aluminum. Coil is 12v coil tractor came to me with. Connected with neg side to the distributer.
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With the engine running, is it possible that digital is picking up something from the alternator? Remove the belt while running the engine so the alternator is not spinning or get an analog meter Confused
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Check the ignition for cracked wires, cap, other bad components.
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I was thinking of finding an analong meter. I will remove the belt and try that as well.
Hadn't thought of a crack in the cap. It looks good but that doesnt meen it is. Wires are new so i hope they r not an issue. But i suspect they might be.
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Hi Kev!

Okay, so obviously you've narrowed it down to being engine run/ignition related.

Since you noted your meter being erratic just being close, I'd bet that two things are happening here:

First, the meter's input impedance must be very, very high... in order to be that sensitive, it either MUST be, or it's got dead batteries... and it's probably an auto-ranging meter too.

Second, the ignition system IS imparting a certain amount of 'noise' into the electrical system that 'APPEARS' to be substantial, but more likely that it's simply not the case... you probably have enough AC noise (from the ignition) appearing in the DC circuit, to be misinterpreted by the digital meter. A weak battery in the meter CAN cause it to do this, particularly if the meter has a high input impedance.

It may be that your ignition condenser is less-than-good.

It may be that your ignition coil ground is less than good. (mounting bracket wrapped around coil isn't always a good ground path.

A lower-impedance analog voltmeter would certainly reduce the possibility of errant readings. Another thing that MAY yield a more predictable answer, is to repeat your test, but with the headlights on... as the headlights will serve as a low-enough impedance load that any AC signals that result from aforementioned sources would likely be absorbed at a low impedance level.
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Thanks for you reply dave.
Now that you mention it, the low batt indicator is on in my meter. Hadnt run into this before as i normally work on diesels.
I have a new condensor here which i will try if a new battery in my meter doesnt solve the issue. I did do the test lights on as well. (Forgot to mention that in my post). I also did it with the meter attach to a set of booster cables so the meter was away from the tractor with the same result.
Thanks so much for the suggestions. I will definatly try them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dnoym N. S. Can. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2015 at 7:43pm
Hi Kev i can`t help you with this
but i did come across this before
one was six volt with a generator
one was twelve volt with and alternator
and one was a twelve volt with a
generator i tried two digital voltmeter
and my snap on  analog voltmeter
i try twenty feet of wire and
when i connected got the same
meter goes nuts  i don`t know ..

take the meter and try on a car
and it work find  got me stump
if you find out i would like to know
as well    good luck

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I will definately post when i solve it. It is a strange one for sure.
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Put new Batteries in your meter.
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