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Niece and her Hubs may be in trouble

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    Posted: 26 Jul 2025 at 2:20pm
Farm around 4-5000 mixed use acres outside of Cape Girardeau MO, she lost FIL he his Dad, also the Other set of hands that kept the farm moving and working.  Any words of wisdom as to Max Acreage per body for Help or for working in general?  My Younger Brother's Daughter, her other Uncle, older brother of mine, is also curious what He can do to aid them thru the next months into 2026.

They are row cropping, Calf developing and herd management farm living.


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I don't there is a good answer because every situation is different.  As far as the crops are concerned, what are the local resources available?  Neighbors, custom harvesters?  
Also, the ability to manage all these moving parts.  In the Midwest & Upper Midwest there is an organization called Farm Rescue which does this exact thing, but I don't think they get that far south.  Is any of the land in that area being managed by outside farm management companies?  Since this is midseason, it is complicated.  On the other hand, there may be some time to deal with all the problems.  I can understand it's overwhelming and wish all involved the best going forward.  Listening to good advice & making good decisions.  Is this a combination of owned land & rented land?  I'm not one to advise, just some off the cuff thoughts.


















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Of the Cuff is acceptable.  
Mostly Owned, hubs bought into additional thousand not long ago and has folks property to handle now with that.  Have some rental ground but suspect that is already being reduced.  Neighbors assisted with final planting and cultivation.  Cannot work them as Red headed Step Children, not fair.
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I would make a deal with a LOCAL GUY to take over most of the work.. Someone who has several HANDS and bigger operation.
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The loss of a family member and business partner can be very devastating. Hopefully they had a business plan in place to cover the financial dealings to keep the farm running. After the initial loss of a person that would be the next most important thing. The row crop farming would depend on how the farm is currently operating. One large combine and a grain cart operator can harvest a lot. Does the grain all get hauled to town do they have on farm storage. How old is this couple and do they have children. How many head of cattle do they raise? Are they more cattle focused. Or crop farming? I think the the most help you can give them if possible would be a hand at harvest. Drive trucks grain carts or combine. They will have to figure out how the farm proceeds after they get over the initial shock of losing someone.
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Thanks Dan
Sounds similar to what the family has been discussing. Mid forties, three growing girls no boys. Around 500+/- head stock including calves that are about to leave. Niece’s Mom and her current husband already on it, the hubs is running mower, sprayers, truck hauls. The SIL of my brother doing as can with niece and eldest daughter flogging thru.
Just trying to figure out where to dial back to. Will take some distinctive talks with finance, advisors, insurers etc.

His Father died from a widow maker, likely knew was happening, stopped and shut off tractor, died in the seat.

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With the upcoming harvest, yea I know it’s still July, but time fly’s, there is the option of selling a portion of their un-harvested crops ‘standing in the field’. This could allow them a bit less stress and anxiety, generating some immediate cash flow.
I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Spoke with niece hour or so earlier, her MIL is already aligning for selling off some production ground as will become Unmanageable.  She also wants the kids to consider herd reduction where not making as much but better at time constraints with HALF the amount of Spring or Fall calving.  Harvests just going to have to be LESS income.

Older Brother and I have spoken with them on a conference call, looks as we are volunteered once I return to Retired to go down and aid them into the winter season and all shuts down.  Most likely on a grain box, then transfer to tractor trailer for hauls to elevator, be doing much of the mechanical stuff and welding work with the Nephew in law.  Older brother can be on a tractor mowing, setting feed or bales, or hauling supplements and mineral, then be extra hands for inoculations and making steers, setting ear tags or just keeping Mommas' off the tagger/inoculator.
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Sad that they feel they have to sell land to make this manageable but who knows their financial situation and plans for the future. Yes land prices are high now but once sold it's hard to get back. With what they are paying for rents you could rent out some acres for a few years and see how things go. This is also a good reminder for the young and old generation, old guys need to let the young guys get in the planter,sprayer and combine and run them while you are still around. Have them deal with cattle and include them in the financial aspects of farming because you won't be there forever. And then this all falls on them at once. Although some of the best farmers probably started by having things dumped on them and forcing the grit and determination for them to survive or the other side of it is the farm doesn't survive. I will say one thing for this man losing his dad. I lost my dad 2 years ago to cancer. He was 82 and not involved in the farm any more but I would call him in the evening when a calf was born or corn was planted or harvested or hay got made. I always had someone to talk to and share with and dad understood things different then talking to my wife.
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Sell the cows now! And use the cash to lower debt. Biggest issue in these circumstances can be cash flow. And let's face it, its a lot harder to find good help with livestock than it is with equipment. Besides have you seen cattle prices.
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I would first look at the infrastructure of the livestock side of things, condition of buildings, feed storage, fences, etc. Look to at cost of production and income to see if the family can survive on that income. On the acreage side if things I would not sell ground to pay bills or lessen my labor load. Once its gone its gone. You pay capital gains taxes on the sale and never get it back. Rather cash rent out the fields that are farthest from the farm to lessen travel time. Cash rent on a short term contract that can be broken if both parties agree and perhaps get a bonus in a good year but be prepared to help the tenant out in tuffer years. You pay for all maintenance fertilizer and have it applied so you are assured that the soil fertility is maintained and require crop rotation so the soil isn't robbed from corn on corn. Charge rent accordingly to cover the fertilizer costs and you can possibly use that as an expense at tax time. Work with a young up and coming farmer that has experience and drive rather than the huge farmers that seem to be taking over. Just my thoughts on the matter. Good luck with whatever you decide, keep the lines of communication open and dont rush into a quick decision. For harvest this year ask a neighbor if they would like to do some custom work to help you out and then you could see how they operate and they could be a good candidate for tenant in the future. Best of luck and ignore the gossip talk in town, its your farm and your family's legacy.
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The widow is making sense as to the ground.  The family farm had grown to over 4000 acres, rented another 12-1500 acres from the neighbors that already stopped farming, spend days on machines prepping to work, weeks on soil and field preps then longer planting and ever longer at tending to get to harvest, already tried custom harvesting for that.  Was expensive, as was buying the last additions that are not producing to pay those expenses fast enough.  Started long ago on a several hundred acres and since expanded several times, time to reduce.

They are thinking aloud and coming to conclusions as to not enough bodies, time or capability as seems no one wants to work so unable to hire extra workers.  Nephew IL has priorities, beef is paying the bills and yes are planning decreasing herd size as speak.  His Dad spent weeks and $$ on spring prep work, rains set in, had to repeat to get to planting, machines needed work and he also did that to not expend the hundreds per hour fees for simple maintenance they were doing, still takes hours and hours to maintain field machinery.   That and no one is getting Younger, the Father's death conclusive to that.
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