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Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 3:09pm |
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i'm putting a 292 in a d-19 this winter been doing the motor now i'm fixin to start the process. does anyone have any tips to make it less painful !
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 6:54am |
 Hudsonator wrote:
DREAM wrote:
OK, I know we're talking about Chevys going into ACs here, but what about us blue oval fans? Anyone tried putting a 300 Ford 6 in an AC? I know, some of the parts would be more expensive and the heads would really need work, but all of the ones I have had in pickups would beat the chevy 292(and 305, 307 V-8) trucks when pulling heavy loads. The sixes were closer in power than the small V-8s. 292 is respectable engine, as are most small block Chevys. Just more partial to the Fords. |
The local rules around us stipulated that the engine had to be used by the same manufacturer. In other words, If Allis used the engine in any piece of equipment, you could put it in an Allis tractor. Those rules were local to our circle, who knows what other rules may be out there.
Ironicly, that rule was crafted by the Oliver guys to silence our Custom Model B. Previously you could run the stock block and head, any rpm, any gear, any carburetor, with any wheel type. They didn't like being taken to task by a 230 CID flathead turning 5500 rpms, which was within the existing rules of the time. So, they changed the rules to get the later Waukesha engines with more ports, more mains, etc. They didn't pay attention to their rule making and opened up the ability to put the 292 Chevy in a WD. Allis used it as the gas engine in F combines.
That first season was funny. The Oliver boys had worked all winter on their new 12 port, 7 main Waukesha engines - while Dad and a couple of his cohorts worked on the new Allis versions. By spring, the Oliver boys were again dismayed. 3 Allis 292 tractors were running out our hometown and would take 1-2-3 place every pull. Finally, the class just got down to the 3 "Yellow Jackets", as they were called, and wasn't as much fun anymore. There is some truth to the old saying "its lonely at the top". Russell Wattenbarger's Red Diamond IH is the only thing we've run across that can't be handled by the WD/292, but then Russell's tractor can't handle itself half the time and breaks the tranny.
One neighbor sold his south, Alabama I think. Another neighbor just pulls his at the Macon Co. Fair, once a year. Dad, has retired from "high speed" pulling and has his for sale. Or, if we find a good vehicle - disassemble the tractor and use the engine in a 6-powered Rod.
But, that's why there wasn't a Ford - or some other 6 cylinder engine in the WD. |
I think the Alabama tractor your thinking of is the tractor Kieth Mcdaniels owns now who does live in Alabama Tractor goes by Willy Make it on the side panels. You tube eaton Ohio 6000lbs natural aspirated theys a ford on there who turns some serious rrs. along with some molines ,farmalls and olivers . Also that agricultural motor rule has its limitations massy ferguson combines ran a 327 v8 chevy try putting one of them in a massey 44 and see if they will let you pull . They send you straight to the v8 class
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Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 9:21pm |
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Husker, what a nice job on that WD, someone went to a lot of work to make it a "modern" tractor.
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Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 6:23am |
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WC go back and read the whole thread. Most of the info you need has already been mentioned. You will need an adapter for the engine to trans. and another one to adapt the flywheel to the 292 crank. The allis flywheel will need to be repunched. I still have the one in the pics. and it is for sale.
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 9:25pm |
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does any one else have any info on the actual parts needed for this swap? up close pictures of how the engine was mounted.... anything they had to make to make it fit. also i know in the begining of this topic someone said they had to use a long input shaft out of somthing to make it work. does anyone know what that was about?
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Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 5:28pm |
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Husker, that WD-45 looks like it may be crossed with a 190, or 100 series anyway. LOL!Instrument panel, fenders, floor pan, seat? Got any more pics of that beast? Very interesting.
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Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 1:14pm |
My uncle put a 292 in a 45 diesel about 25 years ago. Motor lasted a long time. This and a 190 were his main tractors for years. Motor finally wore out and finished putting another 292 in it this spring. 
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Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 10:48am |
Would it be possable for you to post or e-mail a few pictures of it. any help i can get would be amazing. Like how the trany was addaped...motor mounts... just a few little things. i am a machinist and can make the adapters if i have to i just want to know what im getting myself into.
Also thanks for all the info...didnt know if i could get people talking about this again. i have a 49 WD i want to do this to. I have a freshly rebuilt engine out of a old chevy bus to put into it. how does the allis trans hold up to the 292? clutch? just wondering how well this works. Thanks again for the info...
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Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 9:10am |
DREAM wrote:
OK, I know we're talking about Chevys going into ACs here, but what about us blue oval fans? Anyone tried putting a 300 Ford 6 in an AC? I know, some of the parts would be more expensive and the heads would really need work, but all of the ones I have had in pickups would beat the chevy 292(and 305, 307 V-8) trucks when pulling heavy loads. The sixes were closer in power than the small V-8s. 292 is respectable engine, as are most small block Chevys. Just more partial to the Fords. |
The local rules around us stipulated that the engine had to be used by the same manufacturer. In other words, If Allis used the engine in any piece of equipment, you could put it in an Allis tractor. Those rules were local to our circle, who knows what other rules may be out there.
Ironicly, that rule was crafted by the Oliver guys to silence our Custom Model B. Previously you could run the stock block and head, any rpm, any gear, any carburetor, with any wheel type. They didn't like being taken to task by a 230 CID flathead turning 5500 rpms, which was within the existing rules of the time. So, they changed the rules to get the later Waukesha engines with more ports, more mains, etc. They didn't pay attention to their rule making and opened up the ability to put the 292 Chevy in a WD. Allis used it as the gas engine in F combines.
That first season was funny. The Oliver boys had worked all winter on their new 12 port, 7 main Waukesha engines - while Dad and a couple of his cohorts worked on the new Allis versions. By spring, the Oliver boys were again dismayed. 3 Allis 292 tractors were running out our hometown and would take 1-2-3 place every pull. Finally, the class just got down to the 3 "Yellow Jackets", as they were called, and wasn't as much fun anymore. There is some truth to the old saying "its lonely at the top". Russell Wattenbarger's Red Diamond IH is the only thing we've run across that can't be handled by the WD/292, but then Russell's tractor can't handle itself half the time and breaks the tranny.
One neighbor sold his south, Alabama I think. Another neighbor just pulls his at the Macon Co. Fair, once a year. Dad, has retired from "high speed" pulling and has his for sale. Or, if we find a good vehicle - disassemble the tractor and use the engine in a 6-powered Rod.
But, that's why there wasn't a Ford - or some other 6 cylinder engine in the WD.
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There isn't much a WC can't do.
WD's just do it better.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2010 at 10:30pm |
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<<<<<wonders if my WD45 tractor has the 292 in it, it has a chev 6 cyl in it, with 2 trannys, bought on an auction this year. haven't had much chance/time to look it over better yet. it's just sitting here lookin pretty! (like me) !! lol
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Posted: 28 Sep 2010 at 8:25pm |
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OK, I know we're talking about Chevys going into ACs here, but what about us blue oval fans? Anyone tried putting a 300 Ford 6 in an AC? I know, some of the parts would be more expensive and the heads would really need work, but all of the ones I have had in pickups would beat the chevy 292(and 305, 307 V-8) trucks when pulling heavy loads. The sixes were closer in power than the small V-8s. 292 is respectable engine, as are most small block Chevys. Just more partial to the Fords.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2010 at 7:42pm |
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not sure... i would love more info to...Fall is coming and im looking to build a new puller. let me know what i need to do so i can make a list. it would be greatly apreciated.
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Posted: 01 Feb 2010 at 8:16am |
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You are right the bellhousing is bolted direct to the trans. It is all AC, I did not make anything. Think a moment and you will figure it out . What uses a long input shaft?
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 5:39pm |
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Appearance wise, it looks like the bellhousing would bolt right up to the transmission, but I didn't think the transmission input shaft would be long enough to reach the clutch. Did you extend/couple the shaft? Thanks.
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 4:53pm |
Hey Tyler, Yes the RC is still for sale. I saw some pics of your tractor. It looked good. I sent you an email.
Brian you have a good eye and truly an AC man. Every piece of that tractor is AC. Even every bolt (except the grade 8 holding the wt. rack.) Take a guess as to how it was done?
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 1:34pm |
Very nice work Hud! I'll bet that 292 sounds good going down the track. I noticed the hand clutch is gone. Was that to remove weight, or because the hand clutch would not hold up? What work was necessary to bolt the bellhousing directly up to the transmission? I am in the process of gathering parts for a G262 conversion myself.
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 12:34pm |
Larry, This Tyler Hancock. I was wondering if you still had your RC for sale? Also I need to Holler at you about your engine. If you don't mind e-mail your phone number again please. tylerhancock@aol.com Thanks, tyler
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Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 11:03am |
I will check and see if he has any more. Or if he is going to make any. I will get his email and send it ,so you can talk heads up.
Thanks for the kind words Steve. I love the 3 deuces. You should her roar. I love to hear it go. For the AC people, in the first pic. , What is missing?
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Posted: 29 Jan 2010 at 9:25pm |
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Hud,
Love that installation! The tri-power is pretty slick too! I'd be interested also in a set of those adapter plates if your buddy still makes em'. Ole' Herc' my WC would look pretty cool with one of those dudes in it!
Steve@B&B
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Posted: 29 Jan 2010 at 6:25pm |
H, is it possible to get your friends name & # to contact him regarding the adapter plates and the flywheel. Wondering if he might be interested in making that up for me or giving me the details. H, I would love to have my engine and adapter pieces ready to replace the 262 it's just to expensive to work on or modify for power.
Thanks, JZ
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Posted: 29 Jan 2010 at 4:08pm |
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Z, We used the WD flywheel. You have to repunch it to match the chevy pattern. The other adapter goes between the flywheel and the crank hub. It fits the flywheel on one end and the hub on the other. Its thickness is what makes it possible to use the WD starter. I don't remember how thick it has to be.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 6:27pm |
Larry which fly wheel and clutch did you use the WD's or the 292's. I have a fellow not far from me who installed a 292 in a WC and he kept the 292 and truck tranny together and everything pretty much matched right up. He has a set of 1/2 tracks on it and uses it to pull logs out of the bush. The torque is unreal and its unbelievable on fuel.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 5:42pm |
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Z, The adapter plate is much like the one used when you put the 262 in your WD. If you look at the pic. posted and then look at your tractor you should see the similarity. A friend of mine made the adapters and used my 45D as a visual pattern. I don't know if he has any now or not. A boy over near Hoptown came and bought a set from him last year and put one together.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 5:26pm |
Larry, can I get a little more detailed info from you on the adapter plate for the bellhousing and motor and the flywheel starter etc..
Thanks,
Jim
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Posted: 28 Jan 2010 at 4:35pm |
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Yes we are going to have the pull again. The antique pull is on Thur. night of the fair. We keep the number of classes low. We only run 4000 thru 6500 antique class at 4mph. The other classes are 4000 thru 6000 Outlaw.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 7:59pm |
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Very cool! You were even able to use the WD starter?
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 7:50pm |
Here are some pictures of Pop's WD w/292 chevy.
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There isn't much a WC can't do.
WD's just do it better.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 6:39pm |
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Are you guys gonna have that pull at the county fair again.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 at 4:22pm |
Mlpankey. I did not run across the D 17. Russell came to our fair with his Red Diamond IH. he is from Crossville. He has some ride. My little AC came close but no cigar.LOL
Z, I have a WD 45D with a 230 gas in it. It was that way when I bought it. I got it off of a farm in KY. Had been done for years. I use it to feed with here in the winter. It will burn more gas than anything on the place. The reason we went with the 292 was we were chevy people. LoL. The cost is the main reason. We could get off the shelf parts and they were cheaper. We did research on the 262 and 301 as to cost. It was going to take a arm and a leg. Also was the issue of weight. We wanted to stay in the light classes. The 292 weighs less than the stock 226. We liked the 4000 class. Keeps the Oliver boys honest. LoL You can have a good running and competitive tractor for the fraction of the cost as to some of the other motors. I will have my son post some pics. I am not that sharp computer wise.
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 at 8:39pm |
Hi Larry, I have a WD-45 with a 262 in it out of a Gleaner Combine works really well..I also have a 292 out of Massey 410 combine we had on the farm for a # of years. I went with the 262 because it seemed like an easier install. I would really like to get more information from you on the adapter plates for the 292 conversion and see some photos of your tractor. I couldn't find any old pic on the post.
Jim
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