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 Posted: 14 Jun 2020 at 2:46pm |
Kenny, Folks, thanks that is a good option too. I havent gotten too far on the jib crane idea/ work. But still thinking about it. I do have a good old chain falls that was in my Uncle garage. The neighbor delivered the pipe. I cut off the bad on both ends.
On another detail I am considering hemlock siding for a 7 foot band around the building. Steel below and on the gable ends. I think the hemlock would work good into the window grooves.
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 02 May 2021 at 8:22am
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Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 10:02pm |
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Chris, when I build my new shop I wanted a crane but it cost to much so I went with a A frame that is 10ft wide and 11ft high with wheels I can move it where I need it and roll it against the wall that has the metal shelves and be out of the way when not in use. It has a trolley that I can roll from side to side with a 1/2 ton ele hoist I love it. Just something else to think about.
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Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 10:38am |
Thanks guys for checking in on me! Yes my first real job in a structural steel fab shop we had two large overhead cranes. they spoiled me. I think I will go look at the the pipe at the neighbors and maybe drag it home. John, Yes breeze coming through from the west would be great on those days where the temps are up in the 90's and you want shade and a breeze. That's the current plan! Hoping I can round up enough money to fund all my wants! Its a long list. But I would like a custom building that has some features to allow me to do some man cave things! More than just a basic box building. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 7:44am |
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What are your opinions on doors on each side of a building across from each other that you could theoretically drive through or exit with a piece of equipment rather than having to move something? Advantage/ dis advantages? I have this desire to add a fourth overhead door for this purpose. I will loose some wall space. |
I have been thinking about that, too. I doubt I'll have the funds for a building anytime soon... But since we've been in the upper 90s this week, I was thinking at least doors on opposite ends for airflow, if nothing else. Of course I don't plan on having air conditioning in it. We almost always have a south breeze (or 40 MPH wind) here in the summer. It makes 101 degrees bearable.
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Posted: 06 Jun 2020 at 4:42am |
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I think a jib crane would be a great idea. I have a beam suspended from the ceiling off two trusses that I like to use but the travel is only 8ft and honestly I am not sure how much can be lifted safely from a truss designed for a 30lb snow load. I also have a mobile shop crane. My dream shop would have a full size overhead crane
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Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 10:48pm |
Folks, Anyone have a jib crane in there shop? I feel I would really use this tool a lot. As I get older lifting stuff gets even harder. My neighbor has a piece of 12 inch pipe that would be a candidate for the vertical tube portion. I could get it in place while I was getting poles set too. Regards, Chris |
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Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 10:45pm |
Folks, I am going to rely on my electrician for recommendations also. I mean we have these grandkids for a reason! :) Nic is a Master electrician and I will probably follow his lead. He has not steered me wrong yet. I do agree that extra outlets may be even better! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 10:32pm |
You can use conduit but still have the conduit inside the wall, out of the way and sight. And if you use EMT conduit you do not need the green wire/conductor in the conduit. You still need the ground wire from the metal box to the recitals.
And stranded wire is easier to work with when installing.
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Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 9:34pm |
Guys good suggestions on the wiring and air systems. I may have to see if I can find the Northern too wall mount feeder kit. I want to fully insulate the building if the money holds out! Meeting with builder went well today. No major issues. getting closer. Here are a couple shots of the proposed building.
post layout:
west side of building:
North side:
East side:
Some of the proposed details:
South half of building has scissor trusses, north end has attic trusses. at least thats the plan on paper today. 6-12 roof pitch with 1 foot overhangs all around. 3 Overhead doors are 12 foot wide x 9 foot high. One on north end is 16 wide x 9 foot high. May have 3 walk in doors east side, west side and north side. side walls 10 foot high. OSB over girts on sides then house wrapped. Roof sheeting to be 5/8 osb with clips, green architectural shingle roof to match other buildings. Bottom 40 inches to be dark gray steel (wainscoting) and in gables ends. 7 or 8 windows, single hung. Band of hemlock around building stained to match the sugarhouse. cement to be 4 inches thick, 4 floor drains. set of stairs into attic area. Regards, Chris
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All my electrical is Surface Mount in conduit, always found outlets in bad locations unable to change positions due to imbedded in the walls wiring. Roll single wire instead of ROMEX, Blk Wht Grn and pulled thru each conduit to distribution base boxes then to rows of outlets. My next runs will be for weathertight outside boxes for extra functions Outdoors. Air I have bought the Northern Tool nylon/aluminum wall mounted main feeder kit, so far like that as well as no measuring/cutting and threading of black iron pipe, drip legs come with fitting fixtures, just handy. My little shop is insulated with Fiberglass batts and tinned inside, holds a good temperature even as not heated on one side. I should have bought LED Fixtures when put my lighting in as opted for fluorescent 8 footers, as the bulbs cease to be produced will have to convert the entire system over now.
My compressor is a Plug in 240v currently, have extra 240v circuits for the welders.
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Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 7:28am |
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I haven't read all of the posts on the interior setup, but I have been in a couple buildings that had air plumbed in, and outlets spaced out around the building. That really makes it easier than dragging a hose wherever you go. It also allows you to have more tools connected and available, rather than connecting and disconnecting whenever you need a different tool. You might also consider an easy to reach power disconnect for the compressor to leave it off whenever you don't need it.
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Were I to put up another building I think I would like to be able to drive through. The downside may be you'd still have to move stuff around depending on how much stuff you have and I think more doors would reduce the R value of the envelope. I have insulated doors on my two sheds. Not cheap but more doors are convenient.
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Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 9:29pm |
Folks, We wait on the weather then the bank then the builder. Things may come together by this time next year? What are your opinions on doors on each side of a building across from each other that you could theoretically drive through or exit with a piece of equipment rather than having to move something? Advantage/ dis advantages? I have this desire to add a fourth overhead door for this purpose. I will loose some wall space. Here is a picture of the youngest Ggrandson riding his bike around on the building pad. The white pole represents 10 foot eave height.
No he is not falling down, he has the bike balanced on its side, making racing sounds like he is leaning into a sharp curve, going 110 mph! He is 2 and rides this non pedal bike like he is 10! Now just need to get him out of diapers!:)
Meet with builder tomorrow. Will see how that goes. Keeping my expectations really low! Thanks for checking on me!
Going to pick up my truck tomorrow. It just had a removal of the pollution crap. Will see if that cures it! I did not want to do that but its been giving me fits!
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 04 Jun 2020 at 9:37pm
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Posted: 29 May 2020 at 7:13am |
Folks, This weeks installment of shop talk! So the dirt guys were back mid week and removed 6 inched of bank gravel from the top of the building pad, and the top soil around east and south perimeter. This bank gravel was used to bring the exterior grades on the north and west sides to near finished levels/ slopes. I think its better, not such a incline. Some pictures: Maggie checking it out.
views are from the south west corner
View from out in the garden area looking east at the elevated side of proposed building.
Looking south from the camper:
The approach slope is improved by lowering the pad and then also "finishing" the approach pad.
I am considering 10 foot eaves, so as not to make this building so high compared to the house and the sugarhouse. Also still debating the roof pitch and storage and scissors truss options. The old brain toggles back and fourth between what I might like to have for these features and the cost. Most of the options cost more of course!?
The house and garage are 4/12 pitch, the sugarhouse is 8/12 pitch with the 3/12 lean to. If I go with 4/12 it keeps the peak of the building lower and would just have a flat 10 foot inside ceiling. No storage in loft. If I went with 6/12 the building would be 20 foot at the peak but then would have the options for storage trusses above and or scissors trusses for 15 foot high bay area inside. Decisions/ decisions!:) Maybe it will help me to write them here, and you folks are always willing to listen to a old man ramble.
We are having a lot of rain so its going to take a while to dry this pad out enough to work on it. That's OK many other things to do. Grass is needing mowed every 3 days!
Hope things are good out there! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 25 May 2020 at 9:25pm |
Bob D. (La) wrote:
Don't worry over it too much Chris. After all, that's no step for a stepper like you. |
Bob, I think that is a good thing right?? I will try not to worry as much! Thanks for the support! Sometimes we just need to get things off our chest. Thanks for listening! Folks, Happy Memorial day to all! Hot weather here. Worked in the garden a little getting the ground ready to plant some seeds. We have a 7hp Troy buit Horse rear tine tiller. Opened the little camper and napped in the shade of the awning for a bit. The central air in the house was a nice comfortable 70F. Felt great so took another nap after lunch too. Went to daughters tonight and snagged the 272 mower and tried it on the Jubilee. It worked fine. Just need to move the left front caster out to provide more tire clearance.
Oh yea back on Allis stuff, I took the WZ for a spin down the road and back. Nice cool breeze and 85 degrees. That Z code engine just purrs! Local farmers were discing and planting beans with mid size CASE tractors. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 25 May 2020 at 9:52am |
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Don't worry over it too much Chris. After all, that's no step for a stepper like you.
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Posted: 25 May 2020 at 6:37am |
Steve, That's funny I did that yesterday. Found a old beer in the fridge, grabbed a chair and went and set in the dirt pile where the overheads are proposed. That is the 4th picture down looking west!
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 24 May 2020 at 9:12pm |
Tomorrow is Memorial Day... figure out where the Frig is going to set in the shop... Get a lawn chair, set it down, get a cold beer and see how it feels !! .. 
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Posted: 24 May 2020 at 8:46pm |
Folks, John, Bringing this back to Allis land. Took the WZ for a nice ride down the road. It runs very good for a old tractor! A little bit of gear howl but not as bad as my wide front.
Here it is headed up towards where I had the two proposed 12 foot wide doors facing west.
Here I am setting in a chair and took some pictures. Looking west
Looking north
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 24 May 2020 at 4:27pm |
Well, it's under construction, good for you! That is a lot of fill but it is the right thing to do. My cousin in the Hinckley, OH area, still hasn't planted corn or beans, water still on top of the fields. Told me he won't be planting in July like he did last year. If not planted by late June, it's not getting planted.
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Posted: 23 May 2020 at 7:23pm |
Folks, Thank you for the responses on the pitch of this ramp up into the building. I know it has to be above grade in this situation as i am sandwiching this building into a small area. not many options with existing drive and buildings already in place too.
I get too worked up about mistakes that I make in things. I don't build buildings often this is only the second one. The sugarhouse I built 20 years ago. So it really bothered me to miss the basics of getting the grade into my sketches. Had good meeting with my dirt moving contractor and he is planning to make several changes to slightly reduce the ramp up into the building. Also will do some additional work to install drains all around this building to get water to the road ditch. Sounds good to me, maybe I will sleep better tonight.
Here are some pictures as the dirt moving progressed. We had rain last night and things were pretty soggy, and will be for at least several days. Top soil removed to around the perimeter.
Great grandson Cooper watches dozer pushing dirt. He loves to watch but did not want to get on it.
Truck in the area of proposed shop:
Maggie was really hoping for a pond!
I now own a mound of wet soggy dirt! About 27 loads of bank gravel to fill the hole to grade. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 23 May 2020 at 8:19am |
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From the photos the pitch looks similar to mine. Have not had much trouble with it unless we get a real bad ice storm. Worst case a little extra gravel on the driveway to lessen the transition may help
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Posted: 23 May 2020 at 6:55am |
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My barn has a High side similar, I ended up mounding the ramp(NOT Flat) so actually cross a hump to enter, looked weird but works better.
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Chris, I raised both buildings above grade and put a ramp going up. Shop I went 8” at the high end and 3’ at the low end. Barn I went 18” high at high end and 3’ or more on the low. I found concrete dirt for free plus hauling. I think it was 40 triaxial loads total with the driveway and buildings. It was all very low and took water. It was one of the better decisions I made.
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Posted: 22 May 2020 at 7:53pm |
Folks, Good news / not so good news! I live on a hill! The not so good news, at least it feels that way. I now have a big hole that has lots of bank gravel filled back into it. I dont feel well tonight. The side where I plan to enter from the west has a much steeper slope (driveway) than I had imagined. My fault for not doing some more upfront work with a lazer level, and maybe some simple string lines. At this moment I am going to sleep on it. It is just very different and i am not very happy with myself. Ever have it when a plan doesnt come together! Now the north side looks much better and the slope (drive) into the building is going to be much less severe. Even the wife is not too happy! That is not a good thing.
The good news I think: well the current grade of the potential building will be higher than surrounding driveway on the east side. (upside of our gently sloping property.
Looking from the wood shed in my sugarhouse. Looking west.
My truck near where one of the two 12 foot wide doors was/ is planned facing west:
North end of the proposed building: I think this end looks pretty good for a much more gradual slope into the shop area of the proposed building.
My truck and the new slope into the proposed building. Nose of truck would be about 6 feet from the building and still need 4 inches of cement in height too. Might be good for oil changes!:)
Now there will be a little more fill put in under the truck and out into the existing drive: It started raining and the material was just to wet to work any more.
So I guess I just needed to vent maybe I will feel better? Thanks for checking on me! Truck moved north 16 feet, to about where the second west facing overhead door is proposed: Looking towards the south. By the way the electric pole is going to be gone, at some later date.
Maybe I am making too much of this? Not going to be a easy fix, that I can think of, other than making the building narrower by 8 feet. Therefor lessening the ramp height about 10 inches? Slope at that point is about 36 rise inches in 30 feet ish of run.
Regards, Chris
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I built a shop in 2008, 30x56 pole building. I had a couple friends with 12' wall buildings who later bought campers that wouldn't fit, so I went 13' walls. Came in handy when we had a fifth wheel for a few years that was 12'4".
I don't like cracked cement, and since we are in a clay / rocky area, I dug out the top of a little rise in a pasture and filled it with 12" of class 5, topped by 6" of sand. Poured 5" slab on top, with 12" thick around the perimeter 16" in. Also went 12"+thick and in 24" at all 3 big doors as I knew I would be driving tractors and heavy stuff in and out. Lots and lots of 5/8" rerod. No cracks at all so far. Set the building on top of the slab after 60 days of curing. I needed more room for storage, so put up a 12'x24' mezzanine in one corner, supported by the two walls and hung from the top of the trusses - no weight on the horizontal stringer. 2x4 floor joists, 1/2" plywood floor. I put brackets on the bottom so I can slip posts into place to support it if we have a heavy snow load. Haven't had to yet. Only lighter stuff stored upstairs, mostly near the walls. I put a staircase on a hinge so I can lower it when I need to access.
Wish I would have bit the bullet and put in a ceiling from the start, would have been nice to heat it eventually.
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Posted: 22 May 2020 at 10:18am |
I have a used forced air furnace that would make a good shop heater. It's set up for LP and could be changed to Nat. Also could be changed to burn fuel oil, but that would take a little more changing.
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Posted: 22 May 2020 at 6:47am |
Shameless dude, Thanks for the information on height and storage. I need to separate my want to haves from my need to haves. I am not planning on going into farming but also dont want to bump stuff on the door headers. Moving dirt today. Regards, Chris
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when i bought my ASTRO building years ago, it was going to be 40x60x14. when they came to put it up, they asked if it was alright if the sidewalls could be 14 & 1/2 tall...something about the manufac. process, said it wouldn't cost extra and they could do the 14 ft if i wanted. i went ahead and let them do the extra 1/2 foot. it worked out o-k. i also have an upstairs in it. i'm 6 ft and have to duck about 2 inches under the rafters when i'm up there, after you bump into them a couple times, you learn and it really don't bother me at all. i have parts shelving up there and know what is there and what's not. used to have my oil storage up there, was a gravity system and worked well, kept it from taking up space down below. i was always gonna put an old forklift mast in there for an elevator to lift things up there but never got around to it. i did put a rope with a meat hook on the end to lift a few items up there which worked good. i do have staircase going up there mounted along the back wall. i have 20 ft door openings on 2 sides, that allowed me to squeeze my combines in with the headers on them. the extra 1/2 foot height was good as it allowed me to fit the combines in with their grain bin extensions left on.
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Posted: 21 May 2020 at 9:21pm |
Folks, How come this all scares the heck out of me? To much stress at my age! On a good note I did get my wood cut for making syrup next year. Perfect! The dirt pushers will be filling in the hole tomorrow. Using bank gravel and packing it. Hoping for no rain tonight and into tomorrow til they get this pad in place. More dirty pictures coming! I have to sleep on it. One thing at a time. Maybe when I see the pad the rest of the building details will start to gel?
Regards, Chris
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