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Hubert (Ga)engine7
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6127 |
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Anybody had good results after installing one of the hdtv antennas? Have had one for several years at the farm, directional model with motorized rotation but no way to tell direction it is pointing w/o having someone stand outside to watch it turn. Sometimes it works good, other times poor reception, enough height is not a problem. Put up an omnidirectional unit last week, only got 3 channels off one tower at first, then got a bunch of channels from 4 market areas, then it went to crap again. so it went back to HD and the old antenna went back up. The farm is in a rural county and about 50+ miles from all but a PBS tower (ain't saying exactly where cause I can go hide there if Shameless tries to hit me with that machine). Can't really justify the cost of sattelite or internet there but would like to watch the news and sports at night when I am there. Thanks in advance.
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omahagreg
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Points: 2799 |
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I have 2 external antennas in the attic of my garage. I started with one, used the coax from cable tv to source my tvs in the house and garage. I added the second antenna because my main source is slightly north of due west, and the other source is mostly south. The 2 antennas worked, but only on 2 of 5 tvs! Since it was working on some, but not all, I found an inline booster which made it work on all five tvs! Wind and rain seem to affect it, but I dont pay anything for it either!
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 77849 |
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I do the same a Greg... Got an antenna that is about 8 ft long on a 20 ft tower... Coax comes into the house, then a BOOSTER, then to the TV.. Stations are about 50-60 miles away... all in the same city.... pulls in about 6 channels including 2 networks.. Never rotate it.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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shameless dude
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we've used about every type around, and sometimes could get 2-3 channels, them by chance I bought one of them "as seen on TV" attennas that you just plug in the back....and now we are getting 7 and more channels with the little attenna sitting right beside the TV. we have them on all the TV's mow. they do work!
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29569 |
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Same here as with Shameless, Tried all manner of them even the NEW small units 'As Seen on TV', have NOT put one up high on the roof yet with no intent to do so where was kind of informed by one of those marketers I would also NEED a signal enhancer or intensifier as the signal would be too weak where we are. So in basic terms they need to sell more Stuff to make it seem like works when doesn't. Unless can get high enough(High Mast 40+ feet) to clear most every surrounding structure and into clear air space the signals will be weak, if the antenna is not HUGE here will not receive enough signal to be worth having and all sort of atmospheric interference will affect any of them unless within 15-20 miles of sources.
Cable, Satellite or Internet connected TV is about the ONLY way to achieve a Strong enough signal to be worth having. The REA and my previous employer are contemplating internet across Power Lines, transposed signals on the 'Grid' which could be the Next Evolution in internet, Communication and TV services as ALL thru ONE line with power. Edited by DMiller - 29 Oct 2019 at 5:37am |
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Greg (Hillsboro, OH)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Hillsboro, OH Points: 1161 |
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Hubert, you stated you've tried the outdoor antennas, I too, live about 50- miles from area stations in Cincinnati, Dayton, and Columbus. I purchased this antenna on Amazon and was very surprised at how many channels it pulled in, and surprisingly even with those cities in different directions, I can get reception from all 3 cities without rotating. This antenna was $47. I've been very pleased. (I got my daughter one from another company which was similar, but it doesn't work nearly as well).
It's not a ton of money, so it may be worth giving a try. pingbingding HDTV Antenna Amplified Digital Outdoor Antenna with Mounting Pole & 40FT RG6 Coax Cable--150 Miles Range--360 Degree Rotation Wireless Remote--Snap-On Installation Support 2 TVs |
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6127 |
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Greg, that looks very similar to the one I have been using but mine is not the same brand. Interesting brand name "pingbingding", bet I can guess where it was made. I may give it a try. Thanks.
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john(MI)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9263 |
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Make sure you have a good RG6 cable running to the antenna. Make sure all of your connectors are fitted and crimped good. That sounds like what your current problems are caused by. You don't need an HDTV antenna, any type will bring in all of the extra channels. I have an old antenna and it brings in all of the dash channels. And you need a good ground along the cable somewhere to connect the shield to.
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Greg (Hillsboro, OH)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Hillsboro, OH Points: 1161 |
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I will say that for my antenna, i did use a spool of "cable tv company quality" coax which i had come across, and since i was no longer connected to cable, i tied it in to the cable lines already in the house which the cable company had replaced within the last couple of years, so I'm sure that helps my reception over those that buy coax from Walmart.
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6127 |
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Thanks! I will get some good RG6 cable and see if that helps. May have to be added to my "get to it sometime" list since it will involve climbing on the roof and crawling under the house to route it.
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HD6GTOM
Orange Level Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: MADISON CO IA Points: 6627 |
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The old gal bought 2 of those pingdingding things. If ol shameless misses us tomorrow i guess I get to crawl up on the roof and put 1 up there. The other goes on the motor home.
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LouSWPA
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Clinton, Pa Points: 24021 |
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not exactly related, but for those who are using signal boosters, best bet is a preamp at the antenna. the further down the line you get, before inserting an amplifier, the more noise you are amplifying along with your signal
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chaskaduo
Orange Level Joined: 26 Nov 2016 Location: Twin Cities Points: 5203 |
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Excellent info Lou. It is what makes this forum the best period.....
Helping each other.
Edited by chaskaduo - 30 Oct 2019 at 7:35am |
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Ted J
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I've got this one at the farm and also here in town.
https://www.amazon.com/2019UPDATED-150-Miles-Amplified-Reception-Cable-360%C2%B0Strong-Installation/dp/B07KP4V2KT/ref=asc_df_B07KP4V2KT/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=343991705271&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1071664255742744680&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1028036&hvtargid=pla-813293516087&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=69534739856&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=343991705271&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1071664255742744680&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1028036&hvtargid=pla-813293516087 Works really well in both places. I get channels from as far away as Eau Claire (approx. 85 miles) and Rochester MN. (approx. 85 miles from the farm). The price of $34 is hard to beat. I've had em both for over 5 years now. I'm happy |
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PatrickC007
Bronze Level Joined: 29 Apr 2020 Location: Houston Points: 5 |
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I understand the pain installing one of those hdtv antennas, I have been trying to do it myself a couple of years back but sadly it did not work out as planned. Luckily one of my older friends is working for a tv cable company back in Ohio and with his help we managed to do it. I have been trying using one of those antennas for my RV but the FPS signal and the frequency is terrible low, I was not able to watch anything on the road as the channels kept crushing up. Once getting tired of it i've decided to apply to https://www.palmgear.com/best-rv-tv-antenna-reviews/ and thankful to them I am now constantly on the road enjoying all my favourite TV channels.
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21490 |
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even harder to find anything GOOD to watch on TV...
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HD6GTOM
Orange Level Joined: 30 Nov 2009 Location: MADISON CO IA Points: 6627 |
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We put the ping ding ding one beside the trailer on a 20' PVC pipe. I'm sure glad I never crawled up on the roof and installed the other one. I get 28 channels on a Walmart antenna. This ping ding ding thing gets 6-8 channels, it is 20' lower than the Walmart unit.
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shameless dude
Orange Level Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13611 |
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i have a 3 legged tower for sale!
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29569 |
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Finally threw in the towel as to antennas, tried the last one on a twenty foot pole(Temporary) where winds here beat it to hell and gone in matter of weeks. Swapped to a 'Smart' TV in the living room as added the new wall shelving, that and the old TV received a ROKU device downstairs, Both Wireless Connections. Takes some bandwidth on the DSL but pictures clear with loads of free channels. The Smart TV had to buy service on HULU to gain local stations. That part is hilarious as when have power surges or reboot the modem if server slows can swap from COMO(Columbia MO) to STL Local Stations or vice versa.
Currently(AND may not last) less than a third than cable even with a Disney and HULU subscription, already a AMAZON Prime membership for better shipping so get PRIME TV against that cost. Also not affected by weather as DISH DIRECT are.
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 77849 |
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You have to remember the TV signal over the air to your antenna is somewhat of a sin wave.. You can change the reception by raising or lowering 10 feet.. Sometimes that works, depends on where the signal is or if bouncing over ( under) your antenna.. Being in a valley or bottom of hill does effect signal.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6127 |
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House sits on a hill and the antenna is on a metal antenna pole fastened to the chimney so it is about 15' above the roof but I do have a large pecan tree that is between the tv transmitters and the antenna. Sometimes I get good reception on a number of channels and sometimes for apparently no reason the reception goes to crap. It is not weather related and is worse on the higher frequencies. Adjusting the direction of the antenna is a pita because there is no way to tell which way it is pointing unless you have a second person standing outside to watch it. I have climbed up on the roof and loosened the pole brackets and adjusted it that way but that means dragging out an extension ladder and a step ladder.
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DaveKamp
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5639 |
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Okay, so, there's some fact, and a whole lotta fiction that come along with antennas, feedline, and recievers, and it is oftentimes difficult to sort it all out. First... radio signals are electromagnetic. Light is electromagnetic, albeit at a much, much higher frequency... but for sake of comparison... the television signal you're trying to capture, is a line-of-sight phenomena. IF you can SEE it, you can receive it. If it's beyond the horizon, that signal will be attenuated, or flat-out blocked. Back when, Lower television frequencies started at 52Mhz... and proceed up to 88mhz... after that, is the FM Broadcast band (88 to 108mhz) then the VHF aircraft band (110 to 140Mhz)... blah blah blah... until you get up further, and SOME of the UHF frequencies around high 400Mhz range, and they were allocated into the 5-600Mhz range somewhere (it's been so long, i've forgotten and would hafta look 'em up, but it doesn't matter). But for comparison, your AM Radio is at 0.540mhz up to 1.6Mhz. Your CB radio operates at 27Mhz. Your old-time cordless phone (with that long collapseable antenna) was at 49Mhz. Your little FRS two-way radio is at 462Mhz. Now, about the SIGNAL: Foliage WILL supress OR reflect a signal, so having it not in your line-of-sight to the horizon. Foliage Will, in general, allow passage of a LOWER FREQUENCY signal much better than a HIGHER, so don't be surprised. Solid objects will REFLECT the signal, and depending on where it's coming from, you may get a stronger signal pointing the antenna in a different direction, to catch it 'bouncing' off some other object. For example... a water tower a mile north of you may be high enough so that a distant signal source will reflect off, and down to your antenna, offering you a path AROUND your neighbor's house, and a grove of tall trees, hence, a very strong signal when you're pointing almost 90 degrees from where the transmit site is from your location. Coaxial cable, connectors, and crimpers are NOT all equal... and coaxial cable that works well at 50-100Mhz, can become incredibly 'lossy' above 200Mhz... which means you could have good reception in the lower channels, and poop above 12. Also, the longer the coax, and the more connections in that coax, the greater the amount of signal loss that occurs along the path. This is the reason why Lou noted that installation of a receive preamplifier at the ANTENNA is most important- the signal at the antenna's feedpoint is strong, so it is sent down the coax to counteract attenuation of the long feedline. Unfortunately, preamplifiers are not without cost- they are wide-banded gadgets... they amplify EVERYTHING coming in their front door, and jam it down the feedline to your receiver.. so if you have a really strong signal on one channel, and a weak signal on the other, the strong signal will be crammed hard into the receiver, and the weak signal will be lost in the boiling swamp of the strong. An omnidirectional antenna is nice in that you don't have to point it... but a directional antenna improves performance for two reasons: One, it exhibits 'gain'... meaning, it is very sensitive in it's forward direction, and more importantly for broadcast signals... it has a 'null' towards the rear... meaning... it is substantially DEAF in the opposite direction. If you have a weak signal that you really want to hear, but another really LOUD one that's eating your receiver alive, rather than pointing directly at the weak, instead, point the antenna's NULL towards the STRONG signal... to reduce the strong's swamping. Raising up an antenna improves your view of the horizon... but it's a double-edged sword. IF you have a really big horizon, chances are good that there's gonna be more than one Channel X in your antenna's view. If you have a directable antenna, you can point the null at the strong sig, but if not, you're gonna get lousy reception on that frequency. Lowering the mast will remove the distant signal from your horizon, leaving the closer one all by itself. By the way, sometimes, lowering the antenna will give your antenna a view UNDER an obstruction. Lowering the antenna means you can run SHORTER feedline, which equates to lower transmission line loss. The other thing that really complicates stuff nowdays... is that the signal, being digitized, cannot be 'humanly' observed for quality, to determine what changes yield a more useable signal. Unlike analog TV, One cannot tell that they're receiving two different stations, or receiving a strong reflection from some other angle. Finally... the trash. There's an entire culture of consumer-trap crap out there... and they LOVE to take your money. MOST antennas you buy, have little or no actual 'design science' backing them up. Television, being across such a wide frequency range, requires some pretty complicated stuff in order to function on all those channels. Also, there is nothing different in the actual radio frequency signal of an 'HD' image vs. a 'standard'... so if you have something small that boasts 'big' promises, or identifies itself as 'necessary for HD', it's a lie. You can MAKE a fully functional, decent performing antenna out of old coathangers and chunks of stripped coax. Television is so wide-banded that you don't really even have to measure anything to any precision to get a good result, just so long as you have good connections, properly installed connectors (and the fewest quantity...), and have it mounted where it's got a good view of the horizon, and it'll work fine. My local broadcasts come from four towers about 28 miles due south of my place. I have a clear view of the horizon in that direction, UNDER the lowest branches of a maple tree. I have a piece of RG6 coax coming from my office TV set, through the wall, and up to the vinyl rain gutter. The coax has been stripped away carefully so that the jacket goes one direction, the core goes the other, and it's held to the bottom of the rain-gutter with packaging tape. I get incredible reception with what could best be described as absolute junk... but it's simply the case that I've met all the criteria necessary, with the least amount of hardware and feedline. If you can't get a good signal, ask around, and find a local HAM radio operator, frequently, they'll show up, check it out, and let you know what'll work best for your circumstances.
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Hubert (Ga)engine7
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson Cnty,GA Points: 6127 |
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Thanks, Dave. That explains where at least part of my problem is coming from.
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Clay
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My outdated antenna works very well. If it ever gets damaged, I will replace it with a new antenna.
I get excellent reception. I am 29 to 60 miles from the transmitters. To determine your distance and azimuth to the transmitters, https://www.antennaweb.org/ or DTV Reception Maps | Federal Communications Commission (fcc.gov)
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