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Ted J 
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 Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 7:49am |
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Yeah, they don't look the best right there like that, but with the orange cap and lug nuts, will look a lot better!
Are they going to have weights on them also? You won't get to see the cream....
Must be nice to have a warm place to work. Pretty soon it'll be toe tapping time,,,,,,,er tree tapping time..
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Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 9:54pm |
Looking forward to seeing them on the tractor! Good work.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 6:38pm |
Folks interested in working on Old Allis tractors, The lighter WZ rims are complete, maybe a little touch up. Show side:
Back side:
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 10:12am |
Guys, I appreciate the positive repiles. This paint scheme is not factory by any means. Probably will stick out like a sore thumb on the WZ? Well I did have Nic's spin out wheels on it last fall with similar colors and I didnt throw up. May be some of the last projects. The "painted lady look" will live on!:) Thanks for checking in on me. Lot of supervision needed now days. Regards, Chris |
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Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 10:02am |
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Wow! Those look great! Guess that explains why the carb isn't done.
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Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 7:39am |
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I like! The correct police can keep quiet.
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 10 Jan 2020 at 9:29pm |
Folks, Just finishing up these rims.
Regards, Chris
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 08 Jan 2020 at 4:57pm |
Folks, We continue to try to go forward on these old tractor projects. I picked up the sandblasted rims from local shop. Also stopped at NAPA and purchased some Krylon gray primer. My goal was to get the rims and paint into Matts shop and let them warm up and paint tomorrow.
The old rims had some pitting which is pretty normal. As I stood around and visited I realized we had set the rims right in front of the large ceiling Reznor heater. Within a hour the rims were up to temp. So I started in with a coat of primer. I think I like the Krylon product, as it sprays on well with not as much issue at Rustoleum. Used 3 cans of primer to get them covered.
I take more pictures than necessary now with this new phone.
I picked up Krylon Aluminum for the rim portion and the tire portion of the rims. I plan to then mask it and spray the centers with Rustoleum "Cream" in the next few days. New tires? Well a few weeks or more away. I guess if you have seen one WD tractor rim you have seen them all. Thanks for checking in on the old man! Hope things are good in orange land! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 06 Jan 2020 at 10:22am |
Mike, Thanks for the suggestions! That does it! Will keep you up to date on the tires. I tend to agree with you though. Go with the bigger ones. I did check on the 16.9-28's and they are not what I want. They are 12 ply. Probably made for 4 wheel drive tractors front end, loader tires for increased weight capacity? The 14.9's are either 6 or 8 ply. And I have had pretty good results so far with two pairs of these Crop MAX tires. Now just need to put together the funds and get these rims ready too! Today we have Great Grandson Cooper here and we toggle between looking at horse books, deer books, and tractor books! Regards, Chris
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IBWD MIke
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Posted: 03 Jan 2020 at 9:15am |
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Chris, those rims are 14" wide, ditch the 13.6's!!! New 14.9's or 16.9's would be better! 16.9's might speed you up a little too much though. Decisions decisions.
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MDWilliams338
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Posted: 03 Jan 2020 at 5:23am |
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That sounds like a plan...looking forward to seeing.
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Posted: 02 Jan 2020 at 10:05am |
OK, I changed my mind already. I looked at a picture of the 45 front rims which is the style the rears will resemble and they need to be cream centers! Then they would match the cream centers if I did the front rims. (The painted lady look lives on!) The accent would be the PO#1 on the hub and lug nuts. That means I can rattle can all of it. Might shoot the primer with gun? Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 02 Jan 2020 at 10:08am
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Posted: 02 Jan 2020 at 9:46am |
Mike, Folks, Yes I am leaning towards blasting and painting the rims. Mainly because I hate rusted rims! I have worked on enough bad ones! These rims are the best ones on any of the tractors I own. Also now is the time before tires are mounted. I stopped at the sandblast shop and they can get them done within a week. so I may drop them off tomorrow. Just took my truck into the dealer to service the check engine light is on. You guys would have been proud of me I drove by the tire shop and had the strength to NOT stop and buy new rear tires! :) I do still have the option to put the very good 13.6-28's on here too. Several other things to catch up on first and the rims need to be completed (painted) first anyway. I think I will go with Rustoleum Silver hammered look (rattle can) for the rim inside and outside, and PO# 1 for the center wheel portion. Not the cream look like my other tractors. At least that's the plan today. Might change several times? If I get them in primer it will be a good start. Of course I will keep you up to date. Grab some popcorn. This new phone is awesome!
My good friend Ted is coming over today to visit and talk Allis tractor. This guys has forgot more about orange tractors than I will ever know! We are going to talk Allis carbs, connecting rods, and dozers. May be pictures too! Regards, Chris
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MDWilliams338
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Posted: 01 Jan 2020 at 8:05pm |
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Mmmm...I don’t know Chris that’s kind of a tough call.But I have seen tractors down here at pulls that look like your Z with new wheels and tires and they look good.To think about it ,it all seems out of place but actually look good. However I can see letting them patina out also to match the tractor but myself I think if I spent the time and beautiful effort that you put into widening them....I’d have to blast and paint’em.I just don’t think I could help myself 😁
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Posted: 01 Jan 2020 at 5:55pm |
Folks, Thanks for checking in on me! Weather was just above freezing and the sun was shining. Time to get at this other rim for the WZ.
On the bubble as to next step. Brush some paint on the tube area? Sand blast and paint entire rim? Leave as is and let the patina continue? Other options? Anyway they are one step closer to getting new rubber. I think I may just order a new pair of the 14.9's! Bigger is always better, right?
The WD45 had to set out and watch for a little while.
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 21 Dec 2019 at 9:40am |
Stroken, The decal is the standard instructions for the three settings for the hydraulics. Nothing special there. Thanks guys, (MD, ac) ,for the nice comments I appreciate that! It just seems that if I can get a little bit done once in a while in the winter, that things go easier when spring rolls around. Regards, Chris
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ac hunter
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Posted: 21 Dec 2019 at 7:51am |
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Well, that's a nice Christmas card. Appreciate all the pictures and educational information you share with us. Merry Christmas.
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MDWilliams338
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Posted: 21 Dec 2019 at 5:13am |
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Nice job there Chris,I really like these wheels you do👍
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Posted: 20 Dec 2019 at 8:27pm |
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Looking real good Chris!
That last picture would make great postcard!
Say, what's the deacal on your battery box?
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Posted: 20 Dec 2019 at 6:53pm |
Folks, Worked on these rims today. I thought it was warm. Well it was only about 27 deg F. Not much wind so the Mig worked good. Spooled up the new wire and laid down some welds to tie this split rim back together: I should have put the hood down!:)
Got one done as far as welding and grinding, sanding and wirebrushing. May get to the other one tomorrow. I think they are going to work OK.
This is the only Christmas card your going to get from us!
Merry Christmas from the Casbohm family to your family! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 20 Dec 2019 at 6:55pm
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Posted: 19 Dec 2019 at 6:17pm |
Folks, Ordered NOS D17 governor springs and governor cover gaskets from Alex! Thanks Alex!
Not sure which tractors will get these? Maybe the WD45 and Nic's WD. Not sure when that will happen either? Darn head cold has me in a head lock. And I want to get to finishing the welding on the rims for the WZ. If anyone wants to share/ show info on the adjusting of a governor with the set screw/ lock nut to control/ adjust RPM? That is the type on the WZ unit. That would be appreciated too. I believe that the set screw type just was like a rpm limiter? Setting the screw deep should have stopped the governor from opening as much? I was considering adding this feature to the WD45. But I have not gotten into the details of that rework? I first need to get a tach to see where I am at now. Most of the antique tractor pulls allow some % over standard RPM. 10% is norm. Only one pull I go to actually checks each tractor RPM. Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 19 Dec 2019 at 6:18pm
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Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 8:04pm |
Thanks Frank, I have not used the rim guard yet. All the tires I have had changed or put on have been dry. My D17 still has some calcium in the rears. maybe 100 lbs in each? It was at 5500 and I took out 500 ish. (250 ish per rear). I think I will leave these tires dry also. I just don't have good scales close by to get the weight right. I am estimating I may be 25- 30 lbs per wheel lighter than the spin out type?? Hoping to add that weight in back of the axle for a little better balance on some of the poorer tracks. The goal is to have it weigh about 3500 lb with these rims and the reduced weight of the revised snap coupler hitch. If things work out would like to put a set of the Crop Max 14.9-28's on these rims next spring. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 6:42pm |
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Chris, as a way to get to your first pulling weight w/o adding external weight, you could use Rim Guard or calcium. The RG is expensive but, weighs more than calcium and will never hurt those nicely done rims.
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Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 4:57pm |
Strokendiesel002, Folks, Thanks for the encouragement!:) Like today, I get a few little things done and claim it as a productive day!
As I fully welded the inside seams on one of these rims, I ran out of Mig wire. I think thats the second 10 lb spool I have used, since starting tractor refurb projects.
These are slowly becoming 14 inch wide rims. Sure is nice to work on something that is not rotted out too!
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 08 Dec 2019 at 4:59pm
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Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 2:47pm |
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Chris!
Great looking work as always! Seems like money well spent to get the roll started ahead of time... Both wheels tacked up, coffee and a ride by early afternoon? One reading this for the first time could be easily fooled into believing widening a wheel is for the novice!
Don't ever stop making time for random rides, it's a great motivation piece :)
Can't wait for the next episode!
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Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 2:07pm |
Folks just a brief update on the old rims being spaced out a little. (sorry these pictures came out larger than normal I can reduce them if needed??) The bands were slip rolled to near round and this saved me a lot of beating on them. 5 inches was added to the back side of the rims. As usual fixturing was what ever I could find on the bench. !/8 material matched right up nice.
At this point I was just tacking the unit back together. The gap of the band was left open to allow the back wheel bead and the band to be drawn together.
Both wheel assemblies are tacked back together. A good stopping point for a coffee!
For some reason this old WD45 always gets in the middle.
We are dog watching our sons dog. She is a Stafford Terrier and is struggling. At 16 human years 87 dog years she is doing laps around our kitchen island. Right turns only. She acts somewhat like a person with dementia. Kid of sad.
Hope things are good out there in Orange land!
If any one is interested there was a lighted tractor parade last night in Linesville PA. It is the biggest in the country. I did not check to see if there was a YouTube clip up yet? They have 100 plus tractors decorated. Maybe will try it next year?:) Need orange lights! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 08 Dec 2019 at 2:11pm
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Posted: 03 Dec 2019 at 7:53am |
MD, Folks, A plan starts to develop! I was talking with someone, maybe the guy I got the rims from and we were talking about weights for pulling machines. For some reason it had not hit me that I really need 1,000 lbs of weights available for most pulls to allow at least two or three classes to be entered per pull. I thought I said I wasn't going to move that much weight around!:) Humm? Going to have to turn that into some type of summer exercise program. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 8:17pm |
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If your not gonna color new the WD-Z ,I wouldn’t paint these either,just weld’em up and run’em and good call on keeping the others for spares too.
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Posted: 02 Dec 2019 at 5:27pm |
Folks, Pretty quite this time of the year on AC stuff. Just ordered the wheel spacer rings from local steel supply shop. Mild steel strip, 1/8 thick 5 inches wide and 7 feet long. rolled into open ring. About $100 for the two rings. Will be ready this week. If we have good weather I would like to get them assembled. Then can start to think about tire options. I think I will leave the current power shift wheels as is with the 13.6-28 tires for spares. Had the two great grandsons here today and the youngest Cooper is just orange tractor crazy! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 26 Nov 2019 at 6:23pm |
Folks, Weather was very spring like today! Worked in the sugarhouse and then took the old tires to get them unmounted.
These rims look like 9 inch wide. (10 inches outside) Well I guess the spacer will just have to be a little wider?
Rims are really in pretty good shape! No rust through anywhere, just surface rust and scale.
Offset is 1 inch more than where I have the current WD45 rims set on the adjustable rims. So that means all the additional width, that I will add, will be on the inside of the wheel. And the tractor should still fit on the trailer too!
Layout for sectioning the rim:
This is where I should have a plazma cutter! I got it but it wasn't pretty!
Sure look different split! The burr makes the rim look thick, but after clean up the band will need to be 1/8 material. at least 5 inches wide. That would make a 14 inch rim for a 14.9 tire. That seems to work good on the 45. Man that sounds like I am buying another set of Crop Max 14.9-28's. I did check with the tire shop and they do make 16.9-28's they are 12 ply! Probably could run them with no air!:)
Still not sure if I will blast and paint these rims. I usually have them blasted at this point. But these rims are pretty good. So I just cleaned up the weld zone and will fab them back together then think about clean up. I thought the current patina was pretty close to the current WZ look? They would look pretty good with cream center and silver rim and a big set of 16.9's on the old girl! That would limit it to Farm stock but maybe that would be OK too??
Couldn't stand it anymore and had to go for a ride on the WD45. It seems to be getting better at coming out of 4th gear too.
The rim parts are cleaned up and ready for the spacer. I have cut these rims down in the small dia. which is the right place to add the spacer. Need just under 84 inches of length for the spacer material. I think I am going to have the spacer rolled into a ring. It just gets harder to whack it into a hoop, the wider it gets.
I need to check on the pulling schedule at the PA farm show in early Jan 2020. I need to go and this might be a excuse to take a tractor.
Thanks for checking in on me.
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 19 Dec 2019 at 6:22pm
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