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SteveM C/IL
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If all bio diesel was made from soybeans I might consider it.But it's not and there's where the trouble starts. Glad Mike can get soy based bio.
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exSW
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It has a lot to do with the fuel distribution network. I've had nothing but issues with ethanol. Plus the biggest retailer around here has a stranglehold on non ethanol "rec" gas and breaks it off in us. You have to buy bulk from the distributor and that's nit practical for a handful of small gas engines.
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steve(ill)
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I think a lot depends on your location, supplier, addatives, and humidity/ weather for YOUR FUEL............ I have been running Ethanol in EVERYTHING for 30 years and never ONE PROBLEM... don't know why.... others have had problems........ but its a fact for me.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Mike Plotner
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I don't care about emissions, I'd like to have a use for the millions of tons of soybeans we grow every year.
My fuel supplier adds algecide to the blend to prevent it. I also put many hours on my tractors without issues directly from biodiesel use |
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Play Farmer
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You're forced to because we're trying to "save the environment". It doesn't matter there is basically a zero net gain on emissions, and a negative net by some studies, the greenies feel better. With that said, its June 15th, it was in the 40s last night, the furnace is currently running and we've been running about 15-20 degrees below normal. If this is the effect of curing "Global warming" (money grabbing hoax) I think we've gone far enough. Let's bring back some warming soon please! Might be time to move this one to the Politics section. Edited by Play Farmer - 16 Jun 2019 at 10:48am |
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Lonn
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Mike Plotner
Orange Level Joined: 02 Apr 2014 Location: Central Ohio Points: 1577 |
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No one should be forced to run anything, but I'm willing to bet you'd complain about the cost of straight petroleum diesel.
And they guys saying I run new engines, I don't, I have a 7060, 7000, One-Ninety, 4620 and a R42. Changing filters every year and maybe adding some additive is still cheaper than buying non biodiesel firbthe amount of gallons I burn all year. Plus, I even run ethonal occasionally in my '82 F-350 and '83 LTD, along with my gas tractors
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PaulB
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“Truck stop fuel” is generic lowest cost fuel, without any additives of any kind. Many truck stops have this and also have a dedicated pump for premium diesel. Back when fuel was less than $1 a gallon, I found the 2-3 cents a gallon extra that Southern States charged at the time for their premium diesel, restulted in increased fuel miles that saved money overall. |
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
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Play Farmer
Orange Level Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: NNY Points: 732 |
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When we buy fuel oil for our house the ticket says "#2 Diesel fuel delivered as #2 Heating oil".
I'd say in our case they're the same. |
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Lonn
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I haven't
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WF owner
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I never heard of "truck stop fuel" before. I thought fuel from truck stops was premium diesel. Has anyone else heard of truck stop fuel ?
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DougS
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I never had such algae problems in my life as when I was running bio diesel in my remote generators. I had to switch to what the dealer called "stove oil" in order to get a fuel that didn't contain any bio products. In a nutshell: No problems at all were encountered after making the switch. None in the five years I witnessed after making the switch. I'll have to ask if they've encountered any problems the next time I call my old workplace for my usual updates.
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Lonn
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wade89
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I know the bio diesel left alot of scummy crap in the bottom of a D17D tank and Dads 922b cat loader. I would only run heating oil in the old equipment.
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PaulB
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Back when I was hauling fuel from the tank farms to delivery points, the Diesel fuel, heating oil and off road diesel were loaded from the same pipe. If it was premium diesel The metering system would inject an additive at the correct rate. For non taxable use (heating oil or off road diesel) the system would inject RED dye. That is the only difference for full petroleum fuel oils. Any Bio diesel blends were either tank blended or sometimes the system would do it.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
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200Tom1
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Lon, I owned a farm fuel business for years. There is a great difference between #2 diesel and fuel oil. You should be using a premium #2 diesel in everything on the farm. Premium #2 diesel has a higher cetain rating than #2 fuel oil. #2 fuel oil has less additives than #2 truck stop fuel. There is no anti algecide in #2 fuel oil or #2 truck stop diesel. There are no lubricating additives in #2 fuel oil, something you need for today's close tolerances in pumps and injectors. If you decide to use #2 fuel oil you will see more black smoke going up the pipe. Black smoke is unburned fuel.
Edited by 200Tom1 - 15 Jun 2019 at 8:11pm |
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8035 |
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Bio is fine while using it. That's all I burn in the road tractor(partly because that's all I can buy on the road). It's not worth a crap to set for 6 months in a tractor fuel sysem from the old days. Maybe Mike is running modern electric engines. I pay extra for non bio on the farm. Maybe it's not extra at all in the end.
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Boss Man
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Don't think the heating oil has the additives to protect your pump and injectors from damage
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Tim NH
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I was told by oil delivery man, that diesel fuel is refined a little more than #2 heating oil.
Tim
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bigal121892
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I agree.
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DMiller
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House will smell like a French fry factory, all the neighbors will get the munchies!!
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Mike Plotner
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I don't get guys that moan about low soybean/corn prices and complain about using bio-diesel/Ethonal.
I'd rather payless to run a tractor while also using up our product |
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Lonn
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Edit..... I think I just got your joke Edited by Lonn - 15 Jun 2019 at 1:37pm |
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Mike Plotner
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Burn bio diesel. Create demand
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Lonn
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Thinking about using heating oil instead of the biodiesel because there is no requirement for #2 heating oil to be blended with biofuel. Pro's..... con's?
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