d14 draw bar oreintation

Does anyone have a photo of the draw bar. I am working on my brothers 14 and would like to make sure the draw bar is assembled with the correct parts. Is it suposed to have the ability to slide in and out or side to side? Or both. Is there a strap on top of the dbar and one underneither? A pic of a period correct assemble would be a great help. Oh in case of production changes this is a 1957 model 14.

Thanks Darrell

Edited by dscott - 12 May 2012 at 1:53am

Darrell's setup is what I use. One can insert large bolts (I use 5/8" with a 3/4" nut under the head) in the outer holes and omit the top strap to obtain a swinging drawbar.

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Thanks fellas.

I need to fab up the long strap. I think I have the small strap. I am glad I asked as I thought the small one went underneath of the draw bar swing plate peice. And mine is the narrow one . Hope we never need to use it, but would like it to function as designed just in case.

Sorry to disagree with you Jim, but the D14's from the first black bar grill tractors had the same drawbar guide as the D15s and also the D17s through the series III's, check your part numbers and you will be able to confirm it. Thanks Rich

Yup, my black bar D14 has it as well and is confirmed through the parts books.

This is from my parts book dated April 1957.

Well, to this old man's eyes, I see a lot of difference between WIDE and NARROW, kinda similar to apples and oranges.....

OK, I don't want to cause any trouble here but these are the facts. This information is first documented in a small supplement D-40-S1 dated September 1959, put out before the new updated parts book dated October 1961. If you do not have this later catalog then you will not find it. This information relates only to the D14's after 19001, and engine serial 149-19070. Before these numbers the drawbar guide is number 230600, after 19001 the number is 232074 which is the same number as is listed for the D15's and the D17 I, II, and III. Series IV is different. The heavy duty drawbar guide is 232062, which is an all together different animal. There were many small changes that mostly go unnoticed at this serial number break, some of which are different camshaft part no. We all know about the different flywheel ring gear, the change to 12 volts as has been discussed before. The air cleaner cup is deeper, the battery trays are different, The power take off shift lever is longer, The side sheets under the fuel tank have different part numbers, The radiator shell and grille are different as to how the grille attaches, wing nuts as opposed to the tabs, Steering wheel and shaft are different, Power director lever is different, the roll shift front axle was changed to bolts instead of studs where the knees slide into the center section, which makes different numbers on these too. I know I have not mentioned them all here, but I know I am right on the drawbar guide.

Iteresting -- I learned also - now I want to go out and check my serial number out of curiousity -- mine has the narrow set up that JimD is talking about. My D17D has the wide one - like to see if they are interchangeable.

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dscott Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 05 May 2012 Points: 81	Post Options Post Reply Quote dscott Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: d14 draw bar oreintation Posted: 12 May 2012 at 1:51am
	Does anyone have a photo of the draw bar. I am working on my brothers 14 and would like to make sure the draw bar is assembled with the correct parts. Is it suposed to have the ability to slide in and out or side to side? Or both. Is there a strap on top of the dbar and one underneither? A pic of a period correct assemble would be a great help. Oh in case of production changes this is a 1957 model 14. Thanks Darrell Edited by dscott - 12 May 2012 at 1:53am

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RichinWis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Deforest Wis Points: 691	Post Options Post Reply Quote RichinWis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 May 2012 at 7:05am
	This is for a later D14 black bar grille tractor.

GregLawlerMinn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lawler, Mn Points: 1226	Post Options Post Reply Quote GregLawlerMinn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 May 2012 at 8:11am
	Darrell's setup is what I use. One can insert large bolts (I use 5/8" with a 3/4" nut under the head) in the outer holes and omit the top strap to obtain a swinging drawbar.
	What this country needs is more unemployed politicians-and lawyers. Currently have: 1 D14 and a D15S2. With new owners: 2Bs,9CAs,1WD,2 D12s,5D14s,3D15S2s, 2D17SIVs,D17D,1D19D;1 Unstyled WC

JoeO(CMO) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Cent Missouri Points: 2694	Post Options Post Reply Quote JoeO(CMO) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 May 2012 at 8:37am
	The first D14 drawbar bail was narrow. It came back straight, then angled down after the pins. The first D17's were narrow also. Neither were good when using the swinging drawbar; wider is better.


dscott Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 05 May 2012 Points: 81	Post Options Post Reply Quote dscott Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 May 2012 at 5:19pm
	Thanks fellas. I need to fab up the long strap. I think I have the small strap. I am glad I asked as I thought the small one went underneath of the draw bar swing plate peice. And mine is the narrow one . Hope we never need to use it, but would like it to function as designed just in case.

JimD Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Mounds, OK Points: 2112	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimD Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 May 2012 at 5:24pm
	That photo is an aftermarket drawbar support like we sell. It's actually the D15 Series II or the D17 Series III. D14's never had the wide support unless it failed, and the dealer sold the later style. They are however interchangable. JImD
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RichinWis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Deforest Wis Points: 691	Post Options Post Reply Quote RichinWis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 May 2012 at 10:15pm
	Sorry to disagree with you Jim, but the D14's from the first black bar grill tractors had the same drawbar guide as the D15s and also the D17s through the series III's, check your part numbers and you will be able to confirm it. Thanks Rich

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	My black bar grill d14 has the same setup

GreenOrange Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 836	Post Options Post Reply Quote GreenOrange Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2012 at 12:08am
	Yup, my black bar D14 has it as well and is confirmed through the parts books.

Bill Long Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bill Long Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2012 at 6:16am
	Come to think of it, one of the last tractors we sold in 1962 was a D-14 with a Shuttle Clutch. It had the wide draw bar. One of our customers was very interested in a D-17 we had on the lot and wanted the wide draw bar. I think we moved the draw bar from the industrial type tractor to the D-17 to accommodate the request. Good Luck! Bill Long

Chad(WI) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NE Wisconsin Points: 957	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chad(WI) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2012 at 7:44am
	This is from my parts book dated April 1957.

JimD Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Mounds, OK Points: 2112	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimD Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2012 at 1:00pm
	I checked the online pars manual, and dont see that wide support for any of the D14's. Only the narrows as the D14, D15 (series I), and D17 (series prior to III). There is a "heavy duty" support, but it's a little different. I understood that ONLY the D15 II and the D17 III came with that drawbar support. I've seen earlier D17's and a couple of D15's that had it, but it was added later, usually when the original broke. But just as Chad's image shows, only the narrow is what I see was available for the D14 throughout production.
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	Well, to this old man's eyes, I see a lot of difference between WIDE and NARROW, kinda similar to apples and oranges.....

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	Take a look at the parts numbers in the D14 Parts catalog (use a late to include serials 19001 & up) and compare with the numbers D15 and D17 books. They just didn't add an additional page with the updated drawing. #4 in the picture carries 2 different parts depending on serials. The wide drawbar guide was used when they changed a number of features and to the Black Bar grill on the D14 effective at SN 19001. Even some of the black bar sales literature shows this.

RichinWis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Deforest Wis Points: 691	Post Options Post Reply Quote RichinWis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2012 at 2:28pm
	OK, I don't want to cause any trouble here but these are the facts. This information is first documented in a small supplement D-40-S1 dated September 1959, put out before the new updated parts book dated October 1961. If you do not have this later catalog then you will not find it. This information relates only to the D14's after 19001, and engine serial 149-19070. Before these numbers the drawbar guide is number 230600, after 19001 the number is 232074 which is the same number as is listed for the D15's and the D17 I, II, and III. Series IV is different. The heavy duty drawbar guide is 232062, which is an all together different animal. There were many small changes that mostly go unnoticed at this serial number break, some of which are different camshaft part no. We all know about the different flywheel ring gear, the change to 12 volts as has been discussed before. The air cleaner cup is deeper, the battery trays are different, The power take off shift lever is longer, The side sheets under the fuel tank have different part numbers, The radiator shell and grille are different as to how the grille attaches, wing nuts as opposed to the tabs, Steering wheel and shaft are different, Power director lever is different, the roll shift front axle was changed to bolts instead of studs where the knees slide into the center section, which makes different numbers on these too. I know I have not mentioned them all here, but I know I am right on the drawbar guide.

JimD Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Mounds, OK Points: 2112	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimD Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2012 at 2:56pm
	Then I have learned something! Always willing to learn. I had never seen a D14 with that support (unless the owner told me they changed it) and the agco parts book didn't show it unless I just overlooked it. It's good to learn. Means I'm still alive. Thanks! JimD
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Jim Lindemood Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Location: Dry Ridge, KY Points: 2569	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jim Lindemood Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 May 2012 at 7:34am
	Iteresting -- I learned also - now I want to go out and check my serial number out of curiousity -- mine has the narrow set up that JimD is talking about. My D17D has the wide one - like to see if they are interchangeable.