Need help with drum brakes

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   So backed the hay monster out of the barn the other day, and as it started moving, heard a big BANG out of the back axle. 

Got it moved where it needed to  be, then found rear axle locked up. Jacked it up and what we found was left rear tires were locked up. Once we pulled it all apart, what we found was a broken retractor spring on the brake drum pads.  No worries, we just get a spring kit. 

Not so fast........what spring kit? Truck parts place spent half an hour looking and came to conclusion it would need a Leland K196 kit. This one........

Except the springs in place, and busted one don't match up to the picture.

So in order to try to narrow this down, how does one go about knowing what axle, what brakes and brake drum kit I actually need? Are there any ID numbers to be found anywhere? 

Believe hay monster was built on a Dodge D600 truck chassis, circa 1970, but that is a ballpark year only. Also believe rear axle is same one it left factory with, but no way of knowing for certain. 

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modirt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 18 Jul 2018 Location: Missouri Points: 9992	Post Options Post Reply Quote modirt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Need help with drum brakes Posted: 7 hours 19 minutes ago at 9:30am
	So backed the hay monster out of the barn the other day, and as it started moving, heard a big BANG out of the back axle. Got it moved where it needed to be, then found rear axle locked up. Jacked it up and what we found was left rear tires were locked up. Once we pulled it all apart, what we found was a broken retractor spring on the brake drum pads. No worries, we just get a spring kit. Not so fast........what spring kit? Truck parts place spent half an hour looking and came to conclusion it would need a Leland K196 kit. This one........ Except the springs in place, and busted one don't match up to the picture. So in order to try to narrow this down, how does one go about knowing what axle, what brakes and brake drum kit I actually need? Are there any ID numbers to be found anywhere? Believe hay monster was built on a Dodge D600 truck chassis, circa 1970, but that is a ballpark year only. Also believe rear axle is same one it left factory with, but no way of knowing for certain.

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DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 36680	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7 hours 12 minutes ago at 9:37am
	Will be an Eaton, only Two with that series Axle Shaft and only One with Hydraulic Brakes.

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 36680	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 7 hours 11 minutes ago at 9:38am
	Two Cylinders per wheel, that series Bendix has LONG been Obsolete.

modirt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 18 Jul 2018 Location: Missouri Points: 9992	Post Options Post Reply Quote modirt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 6 hours 43 minutes ago at 10:06am
	I may need an interpreter......as this was my first ever look inside a set of drum brakes like this.....but guys at truck parts place also said it was ALL obsolete and not available......except some of them ARE available on ebay. But you need to know what it is you are looking at, to figure out which kit you need. On the Leland kit, there are at least two other "similars" on ebay.......but really none of them look the same as what I'm seeing in this picture. But if you can ID the thing for certain, there are places with NOS to sell. Or .........last ditch would be off to a salvage yard to find a truck being parted out. Problem with that is the springs you could get from there may not be much better than what I have now.

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 36680	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 5 hours 38 minutes ago at 11:11am
	Need to look thru 2-5ton truck brakes catalogs, will be a hit and miss to locating Similar or Close but none will be same. Some parts stores as the Carquest I work with here still have Older Paper BOUND catalogs where Could be any manufacturer still using a Similar setup. May still come up empty handed.

DMiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 36680	Post Options Post Reply Quote DMiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 5 hours 23 minutes ago at 11:26am
	Major manufacturers for the Big Four GM DODGE FORD and IH were all similar Bendix Wagner Midland. Midland was absorbed into Bendix, Wagner continues until closed completely, all are now under Meritor. 90+% of All medium duty Drum brakes are as our Allis machines NOS someone is sitting on or gone.

modirt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 18 Jul 2018 Location: Missouri Points: 9992	Post Options Post Reply Quote modirt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 4 hours 24 minutes ago at 12:25pm
	Should there be a stamped number or name on the axle, or anywhere on the brake drum? Some way to at least ID it other than an informed guy knowing what it is he is looking at and going from there?

Ray54 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 5019	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ray54 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 4 hours 23 minutes ago at 12:26pm
	Try all/any of the old time parts stores, and hope one has old paper book sitting around still. Time flies when having that kind of fun. Must about 20 years since I was in brakes like that on my IH 1700. At that time my local NAPA got what I wanted. But that is several management if not ownership changes ago. Most of the help there today would be no help at all.

PaulB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 5462	Post Options Post Reply Quote PaulB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 2 hours 27 minutes ago at 2:22pm
	You're lucky the dufus behind the counter even knew what a drum brake was. All Dodge's of the same era and maybe even up to the point they quit making Medium Duty trucks will be similar for all single speed axles of the same weight rating. Two speed axles will be equally identical. Find the ID number on the axle itself and go to the oldest HD truck parts place you know of. Don't waste you time at car parts. If you can find a Dodge Medium Duty parts book for the approximate year you think the base truck is would be your biggest help.
	If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY